(02-27-2023, 03:33 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Others pointed out the benefits of getting guaranteed money as early as possible.  Pat Kirwan is a fan of writing the contracts based on percentage of the Cap so both ownership and player are rewarded/protected depending on cao flux. 

(02-27-2023, 05:18 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: The way I look at it is we got to the Super Bowl in year two and the AFCC in year three.

The safe move would be to sign this offseason and he'll get a huge contract, but with our team drastically improved this offseason (assuming that we do improve it) and we don't have as bad luck with injuries, we could win the Super Bowl this year and then Burrow would be looking at a much bigger contract. He'd probably be in a position to demand a record contract after bringing us our first Super Bowl in history.

He won't be hurting either way but it's just a matter of if he wants the sure thing or potential for the monster deal.

(02-27-2023, 05:27 PM)casear2727 Wrote: How does a percentage of the cap help the team in any way? 

Florio keeps preaching this and it makes zero sense to me. 

Today's world; as the cap rises the QB deal becomes a lesser percentage of the cap, that is good for signing other players.

A percentage of the cap would most likely be considered guaranteed, how would that be calculated for future years as to being in compliance with the escrow requirement?   

I do not see any benefit for this idea other than the QB is getting a raise every year, it most likely negates the opportunity to be creative with rolling guarantees, etc., and would defitniely prevent the signing of some new free agents every year.

I wish Pat or Mike or anyone, would explain to me how this is beneficial to the team moving forward.

(02-27-2023, 06:13 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Because a player will never take a larger percentage of the cap than they did when they signed. There's no guarantee that the cap is going to rise each year. We're just 2 years removed from the cap decreasing. 

(02-27-2023, 05:27 PM)casear2727 Wrote: How does a percentage of the cap help the team in any way? 

Florio keeps preaching this and it makes zero sense to me. 

Today's world; as the cap rises the QB deal becomes a lesser percentage of the cap, that is good for signing other players.

A percentage of the cap would most likely be considered guaranteed, how would that be calculated for future years as to being in compliance with the escrow requirement?   

I do not see any benefit for this idea other than the QB is getting a raise every year, it most likely negates the opportunity to be creative with rolling guarantees, etc., and would defitniely prevent the signing of some new free agents every year.

I wish Pat or Mike or anyone, would explain to me how this is beneficial to the team moving forward.

(02-28-2023, 02:02 AM)BRM13 Wrote: I think the explanation is that the player gets guaranteed raises later when the cap is able to absorb them more easily.  Therefore, the player will accept less up front.  Gives the team more flexibility in early years and cost certainty later (eliminates risk to team that 'normal' raises eat up too much cap later on).  Player gets 'fair' raises, in line with rise in cap (i.e., league revenue).  You are right, though; if the player won't take less in early years for this feature, there isn't much reason for team to want to do it.

(02-28-2023, 11:34 AM)Ell Prez Wrote: To the question of why should Burrow sign this year versus next year-

When you’re given the chance to get a massive lump sum of cash year 1, $60-$80M) to now sit in your bank account and diversify and invest and turn that in to more money- it’s hard to say no to. I think almost all of us would take the chance to sign up for life changing money as opposed to wait an extra year, for maybe a little more per year in the deal.

(03-08-2023, 01:38 PM)Clark W Griswold Wrote: The Giants probably just cost the Bengals millions of dollars.

They should try to sign him ASAP before another team drastically over pays for a mediocre QB.

(03-08-2023, 01:38 PM)Clark W Griswold Wrote: The Giants probably just cost the Bengals millions of dollars.

They should try to sign him ASAP before another team drastically over pays for a mediocre QB.

(02-27-2023, 03:29 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: Unfortunately, these post-rookie contract extension deals for QBs typically occur in the summer. I don't know why. Maybe it has to do with the GM, coaches, owners etc finally having time for in depth discussion doesn't occur until after the draft and free agency and I imagine OTAs being around that time has something to do with it to, just to get everyone in the same room in a convenient manner.

Kyler Murray signed his in July 2022.
Josh Allen signed his in August 2021
Patrick Mahomes signed his in July 2020
Deshaun Watson's original extension with the Texans was signed September 2020.
Carson Wentz signed his extension in June 2019.
Jared Goff signed his extension in September 2019

Even Russel Wilson, who wasn't even due for a contract extension, signed in September 2022. The only extension I can think of that was signed pre-free agency was Aaron Rodgers last year, and that's because he had to make a decision on where he would play (if at all), so that was pertinent information prior to free agency.

I imagine the Bengals have a general idea of what cap hits they can expect in the next few seasons with Joe Burrow and roughly the amount of cash he wants up front. I bet it's just the fine details, the last 5%, that typically holds up the final signing. So I am hopeful that this should not affect the team too much in regards to free agency.

(02-27-2023, 03:41 PM)GodFather Wrote: Sooner than later, they need to get it done to see what they will have for the rest of the season signings, Burrow is first and foremost, lock him up for the next 10 years!

(03-08-2023, 05:45 PM)jj22 Wrote: Danny Dollars just got 48 million a year (8m of which are incentive based). Burrow about to break the bank.

Mahomes deal looks great. He will make 31m this year. Danny Dimes at minimum 40m....

(02-27-2023, 12:24 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: What do you guys think the timing of this deal looks like?

IMO it needs to be done sooner rather than later and preferably before free agency begins (March 7th). It's much to the Bengals benefit to go into this years free agency knowing how the largest contract in your franchises history is structured.

I'm confident the Bengals get it done soon. I'll add a poll just because im curious what you all think.