(04-11-2023, 10:36 AM)ochocincos Wrote: This pretty much seals it for me for no OL in Rd 1.
I don't mind that he responded back (people get too bent out of shape over what people say), but you gotta be smart enough to not take the bait just a few weeks before draft time.

I was never really a Dawand Jones guy anyway. The sheer size made me nervous he could move well enough if/when asked to run some zone or stick with the speedier edge rushers who try to go around.
But when he chose not to perform agility drills at the Combine or Pro Day, it gave me belief he's afraid for people to confirm he's not agile.

Gimme CB or TE in Rd 1.

(04-11-2023, 05:12 PM)pulses Wrote: I think it'll be Banks or Forbes in round 1.

(04-11-2023, 05:39 PM)Jpoore Wrote: The problem is if he did availing drills, he’d be compared to ots, not players of his size, but there aren’t many…. He was a great 2 sport athlete in basketball as well. He’s got agility. I think oline definitely is in the  plans. I want the twin towers at OT.

(04-11-2023, 06:29 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Man, Forbes has gotten tiny though. 166 lbs at the Combine? Super light.
I could see him being the pick at 28 if Banks is gone, but he'll need to get back to being around 180 lbs like he used to to give me confidence he can hold up for an entire NFL season.
He'll get broken in half at 166 lbs.

(04-11-2023, 06:56 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: This has absolutely no effect at all on if I'd draft him. None.

He dominated Anderson. Jonah is not a long term solution. I'd take him at #28 in a hearbeat (over Kancey & the best TE on the board). THEN I'd trade Jonah for whatever I could get (3rd/4th/etc) and yse that $12.6 mil to sign vet ring chasers on 1 year deals to win us a SB. Bound to be some cuts/moves after the draft.

(04-11-2023, 06:56 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: This has absolutely no effect at all on if I'd draft him. None.

He dominated Anderson. Jonah is not a long term solution. I'd take him at #28 in a hearbeat (over Kancey & the best TE on the board). THEN I'd trade Jonah for whatever I could get (3rd/4th/etc) and yse that $12.6 mil to sign vet ring chasers on 1 year deals to win us a SB. Bound to be some cuts/moves after the draft.

(04-10-2023, 08:04 PM)Jpoore Wrote: So if y’all didn’t see, Darnell wright is soft mentally. Messaged a bunch of bengals personalities on twitter, telling them that to go eat a d, get a job, etc etc all because they said he’s an elite pure rt prospect but they don’t want him at LT…More fire to why I want jones. How are you that soft?

(04-11-2023, 06:31 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I get it, and we heard the same argument for Daniel Faalele last draft season.
Faalele moves well "for his size," but the reality is he's just a massive man who can't really move as well as someone who is 50-75 lbs lbs lighter.
You can do many great things at that size, but being super agile to handle smaller, speedier edge rushers or shifting laterally in the wide zone ain't one of them.

(04-11-2023, 06:31 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I get it, and we heard the same argument for Daniel Faalele last draft season.
Faalele moves well "for his size," but the reality is he's just a massive man who can't really move as well as someone who is 50-75 lbs lbs lighter.
You can do many great things at that size, but being super agile to handle smaller, speedier edge rushers or shifting laterally in the wide zone ain't one of them.

(04-12-2023, 12:30 PM)Jpoore Wrote: Falalee was nowhere near what I expect jones to be, plus falalee was a consensus mid-late day 2 pick not a first round talent…  plus jones has a extra like what 9 inch wingspan than falalee had?  I believe jones could handle the bendy guys. Push them out of the qb path.

(04-12-2023, 12:30 PM)Jpoore Wrote: Falalee was nowhere near what I expect jones to be, plus falalee was a consensus mid-late day 2 pick not a first round talent…  plus jones has a extra like what 9 inch wingspan than falalee had?  I believe jones could handle the bendy guys. Push them out of the qb path.

(04-12-2023, 01:19 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I'm not saying Jones is EXACTLY the same as Faalele.
But the same things that are being pegged against Jones were the same as Faalele.
Faalele was less experienced in American football, as he came from Australia, so yes he wasn't nearly as refined as Dawand Jones is.
Faalele absolutely bombed the athletic drills at the Combine last year. While Dawand Jones may be more athletic than him, he still avoided doing those agility drills for a reason.
The size and length will help compensate for a lack of mobility, but will he still be agile enough to not get beat to guys that rush around him?
Only time will tell.

However, I do want to correct your 9" wingspan comment.
Dawand Jones - 87.875" wingspan
Daniel Faalele - 86.25" wingspan
So it's less than 2 inch difference

(04-11-2023, 05:39 PM)Jpoore Wrote: The problem is if he did availing drills, he’d be compared to ots, not players of his size, but there aren’t many…. He was a great 2 sport athlete in basketball as well. He’s got agility. I think oline definitely is in the  plans. I want the twin towers at OT.

(04-13-2023, 01:25 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: The problem is that he wants to be selected to do a specific job in the NFL.  The prospective empolyers around the league are a bit leery, as most men of similar physical stature tend to be at a disadvantage verus specific types of defenders in pass protection, so the said employers just want to see how he stacks up in measurable athletic numbers versus other players with his similar frame.  Not much to ask.

His struggles against speed rushers in college is well noted.  The least he could do is work out for the scouts, weigh in and prove to the world that he's on top of his physical game, and keeping his primary source of employment in perfect working order.  His failure to do more than day 1 at the Sr. Bowl, failure to run, weigh in, do drills, etc. at the Combine and Pro Day likely cost him as much or more potential rookie contract money than had he went out and performed.

Edit:  I guess that I should have stated up front that I think Dawand Jones actions/strategy leading up to the draft is as mentally soft at Darnell Wright calling people dick eaters.  Both have their character flaws, one is a thick headed big-mouth, and the other is a coward afraid of being exposed.

(04-13-2023, 01:25 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: The problem is that he wants to be selected to do a specific job in the NFL.  The prospective empolyers around the league are a bit leery, as most men of similar physical stature tend to be at a disadvantage verus specific types of defenders in pass protection, so the said employers just want to see how he stacks up in measurable athletic numbers versus other players with his similar frame.  Not much to ask.

His struggles against speed rushers in college is well noted.  The least he could do is work out for the scouts, weigh in and prove to the world that he's on top of his physical game, and keeping his primary source of employment in perfect working order.  His failure to do more than day 1 at the Sr. Bowl, failure to run, weigh in, do drills, etc. at the Combine and Pro Day likely cost him as much or more potential rookie contract money than had he went out and performed.

Edit:  I guess that I should have stated up front that I think Dawand Jones actions/strategy leading up to the draft is as mentally soft at Darnell Wright calling people dick eaters.  Both have their character flaws, one is a thick headed big-mouth, and the other is a coward afraid of being exposed.

(04-14-2023, 02:46 AM)Yogo Wrote: GREAT!!!  So they will both will fall to the second round for sure, we can use our 1st rounder for a BPA, and then scoop up whichever OT is left!!!  Awesome!

(04-13-2023, 01:50 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I look at them differently.
Darnell Wright did everything right (haha) up until he tweeted back.
That type of quick kneejerk reaction can make teams try to bait you into doing stupid s**t on the field like what happened with the Steelers in the 2015 playoff game.
That can be coached out though (unless you're Adam Jones haha).

Dawand Jones on the other hand really turns me away. Own your limitations, and talk with teams about how you plan to overcome them and how your strengths can help offset them. Avoiding the transparency annoys me.