(04-28-2023, 09:31 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: You also wanted Tua or Jordan Love instead of Burrow because in your estimation Burrow didn’t have a single elite quality.

Remember proclaiming Will Hernandez not only the best OG in his draft class, but the best OL overall? Pepperidge Farms remembers.

I appreciate you marching to the beat of your own drummer, but some of your draft evaluations have been pretty bad.

I’m think in this case Imma trust the Bengals’ evaluation over yours.

(04-28-2023, 10:10 AM)Stewy Wrote: So says the man, who didn't want Burrow.  You have zero credibility, so don't be surprised when no one listens, no one agrees, no one cares.

(04-28-2023, 10:46 AM)ochocincos Wrote: I feel that's a bit extreme.
I liked Rapien's and Liscow's take on LOB podcast that Murphy's floor is Sam Hubbard. That feels about right. Someone who would get 6-8 sacks a season typically and be a good run defender. His ceiling is double-digit sacks, but it's going to be hard to get that if he's playing in a rotation. We might not get to see the finished product until 2025 when Hendrickson (and Ossai) no longer a Bengal.

As for Adebawore, I feel like he's more project and risk than Murphy.

Career production:
Adebawore (36 games) - 97 tackles, 24.5 TFL, 12.5 sacks, 1 INT, 6 PD, 4 FF
Murphy (35 games) - 116 tackles, 36.0 TFL, 18.5 sacks, 0 INT, 5 PD, 6 FF

If you're talking about who had the better resume, it's Murphy.

Also, you can't really say Adebawore starts next year, as Hill is still a Bengal in 2024. Adebawore isn't taking Reader's spot.

As for Porter, he's not the kind of CB that fits the Bengals scheme.

(04-28-2023, 12:10 PM)BenZoo2 Wrote: And that’s why your not a nfl gm. Or work in an nfl front office. And got your scouting certificate from a cracker jacks box.

Your draft takes and player evaluations are bad and should stop posting them


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(04-28-2023, 04:53 PM)bengaloo Wrote: Murphy is an elite athlete and defender who slipped to 28 after being projected in the top 15 pretty consistently.

(04-28-2023, 05:06 PM)Gdale_Bengal Wrote: This guy was swallowing Loves juices before the Burrow draft. Love has only started like 2 games in 3 years. You’d think that if Love was so talented, GB would have moved in from Rodgers at least a year ago and started Loves career. Instead? He HAS TO start because Rodgers wasn’t going to play for GB anymore.

Plus, he touts ISU players like they should always go in the top 10 every year. All of them.

(04-28-2023, 05:29 PM)JumboTron Wrote: Well that about sums it up.

End thread.

(05-05-2023, 06:43 PM)Jpoore Wrote: Hernandez could be in the right offense…. And I still think the trade down would have been the right option(thought it’s hard to argue with the end results)
Trade down should have happened.
Porter fits any scheme but yes he’s more presss heavy corner.adebawore immediately comes in and plays 600 snaps. You don’t draft Hubbard in rd1 that’s my issue. His pass rush win rate was 14% last year.  His pff grade was 79. He’s a project just like the rest.
My draft evaluations hit more often than not.
Elite athlete. Not a great player currently. 14% pass rush win rate, 79 pff grade
Remind me how many years Rodgers sat behind favre? Was it 3? Yeah?  Also who is isu? U mean osu? Yeah because the college with the most nfl players in the league I don’t want. Criminal.

(05-05-2023, 06:43 PM)Jpoore Wrote: Hernandez could be in the right offense…. And I still think the trade down would have been the right option(thought it’s hard to argue with the end results)
Trade down should have happened.
Porter fits any scheme but yes he’s more presss heavy corner.adebawore immediately comes in and plays 600 snaps. You don’t draft Hubbard in rd1 that’s my issue. His pass rush win rate was 14% last year.  His pff grade was 79. He’s a project just like the rest.
My draft evaluations hit more often than not.
Elite athlete. Not a great player currently. 14% pass rush win rate, 79 pff grade
Remind me how many years Rodgers sat behind favre? Was it 3? Yeah?  Also who is isu? U mean osu? Yeah because the college with the most nfl players in the league I don’t want. Criminal.

(05-05-2023, 06:43 PM)Jpoore Wrote: Hernandez could be in the right offense…. And I still think the trade down would have been the right option(thought it’s hard to argue with the end results)
Trade down should have happened.
Porter fits any scheme but yes he’s more presss heavy corner.adebawore immediately comes in and plays 600 snaps. You don’t draft Hubbard in rd1 that’s my issue. His pass rush win rate was 14% last year. His pff grade was 79. He’s a project just like the rest.
My draft evaluations hit more often than not.
Elite athlete. Not a great player currently. 14% pass rush win rate, 79 pff grade
Remind me how many years Rodgers sat behind favre? Was it 3? Yeah? Also who is isu? U mean osu? Yeah because the college with the most nfl players in the league I don’t want. Criminal.

(05-07-2023, 06:44 PM)Yogo Wrote: In my history on these forums, I've had some hits and a lot of misses.  Go look them up.

Hits:
DE in the 1st this draft.  Yay!
Lael Collins if he wasn't injured.
No John Ross III
G in 2012 draft, Decastro > Zeitler
Same draft DB Janoris Jenkins > Dre Kirkpatrick

Misses:
Chase Young over Burrow, snag a falling Tua later.
Pinei Sewell, Kyle Pitts over Jamarr Chase.
Wanting Devin Bush LB

The great thing about this forum community is that we can play speculative GM vs. Duke and the gang.  To have a place to test where we stand as evaluators.  I am glad that I've been really wrong in the Zac tenure.  Like franchise altering wrong.  Just be prepared to eat crow, crow these days are mighty tasty for me.  Keep up the contributions Jpoore, we'll see in 2-3 years.

(05-08-2023, 02:40 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I dunno, I think all three are pretty damn good.
Sewell only allowed 2 sacks this past season and played every game, getting to the Pro Bowl.
Pitts showed in 2021 what he can do if used properly, putting up over 1000 yards at 15.1 YPR.
His career YPC after 2 years is 14.4, which is better than a lot of WRs.
Pitts can be that guy if used more/better in the passing game.

(05-08-2023, 03:08 PM)depthchart Wrote: .

If I remember right, Offensive Line was what a lot of Bengals Fans and Mock Drafts expected the Bengals to take and Penei Sewell was projected to end up being a Bengal by tons of people. Sewell went 7th to Detroit and Chase went 5th to the Bengals.

Chase exploded onto the NFL scene and I heard one Detroit fan on television complaining after that season that they took boring O-line while the Bengals took the flashy wide receiver and were having success while Detroit was going 3 - 13 and 1.  They were wishing that their Team would have got the chance to get Chase. 

I believe it was Jalen Rose (a Detroit fan) on his show called Jalen and Jacoby that was saying it.

They may be liking Sewell a lot more now since their Team is doing better and Sewell is playing well.

(05-08-2023, 03:33 PM)Yogo Wrote: Seems like Chase was what our team needed more than Sewell or Pitts to jumpstart our Championship run.  He was the perfect fit.  I was die-hard Team Sewell as the safest longevity pick for Joe's sake.

(05-08-2023, 03:33 PM)Yogo Wrote: Seems like Chase was what our team needed more than Sewell or Pitts to jumpstart our Championship run.  He was the perfect fit.  I was die-hard Team Sewell as the safest longevity pick for Joe's sake.

(05-10-2023, 02:16 AM)DYT_Bengal Wrote: I don't know what tape people are watching but Myles Murphy looks pretty damn good. Elite first step, very effective at running stunts, high motor, very effective at bull-rushing the tackle, active in the run game.

I think the reason why the advanced stats dipped were because he tried to beat the tackle on the outside too much which he didn't have the bend for - at the same time he also made some all-pro moves when he used his strength and athleticism to attack the inside.

I think this was a gift.

(05-11-2023, 05:27 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Yes, Murphy just wasn't able to quite get there as much as people would have liked.
Last year in 13 games, PFF credited Murphy with 6 sacks but 34 total pressures.

42 pressures in 2021, 20 pressures in 2020.

He's able to get pressure, just hasn't finished the job as much as people would have liked.

(05-12-2023, 11:04 AM)XenoMorph Wrote: Pressure and disruption are good even if he doesnt get home all the time he will either be flushing the QB into someone else or forcing a throw on the move

(05-12-2023, 02:18 PM)ochocincos Wrote: For sure, but actually getting those sacks is the cherry on top.
Remember how we debated keeping Lawson vs signing Hendrickson a couple years ago?
We looked at pressures, and Lawson was being argued just as good as Hendrickson, Hendrickson just got "lucky" to get the actual sacks.
Turns out, Hendrickson ended up being the better pass rusher after all.

(05-12-2023, 02:32 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: He did have 7 sacks last year but is he OLB for jets instead of a DE?

(05-08-2023, 02:40 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I dunno, I think all three are pretty damn good.
Sewell only allowed 2 sacks this past season and played every game, getting to the Pro Bowl.
Pitts showed in 2021 what he can do if used properly, putting up over 1000 yards at 15.1 YPR.
His career YPC after 2 years is 14.4, which is better than a lot of WRs.
Pitts can be that guy if used more/better in the passing game.

(05-18-2023, 12:45 PM)Whatever Wrote: Honestly, it would've been pretty hard to miss at #5 that year.  Micah Parsons would have been a great pick.  Slater would have been a great pick.  Waddle would have been a great pick.