(05-23-2023, 01:31 PM)yang Wrote: I am sure this will get interesting once everyone starts analyzing everything but the Ring of Honor to me exemplifies what it means to be a great Bengal during their career and many of these players became whiners and left and I can't put them in over those who spent their careers here and were Die-Hards. And I love many of those players that left especially Montoya and Parrish. But c'mon man, Krumrie and Reggie Williams left their heart and souls on that turf their entire careers. Breech was a great kicker and spent 14 years here. Trumpy spent 8 season and was one of the league's best tight end still holding a lot of Bengals records.

And we had Lapham but he did leave for Donald Trump's New Jersey Generals in the end.

So it's Krumrie and Williams for me. True Die Hard Bengals.

(05-22-2023, 08:15 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Parrish is a gimmee for me. He is the reason Riley did not get into the Hall for so long. They said QBs threw at Rioey because everyone was afraid to throw at Parrish. It was not all correct,,Riley played great after Lemar moved on, but it wasn't all wrong, either.

Parrish was an 8 time Pro-Bowler (6 with us), 3 time first team all pro (once with us), two time 2nd team all-Pro (both with us). 47 picks and 13 TDs (INT + returns). I know there were off-field issues, but Parrish is a HOFer in my book. Easily.

The 2nd pick is tougher. Boomer, Chad, Montoya, Krumrie, and Williams are tough to decide between. I'll go Chad, but it is tight.

(05-24-2023, 04:06 PM)grampahol Wrote: Lamar is it for me as well.  His name probably sticks out the most from my years as a barely able to grow hair anywhere besides the top of my head kid.. 

(05-24-2023, 10:31 PM)CincyKid Wrote: Parrish was an 8 time Pro-Bowler. 3 time first team all pro, two time 2nd team all-Pro. 47 picks and 13 TDs (INT + returns). Leapin' Lamar Parrish is a HOFer.


Put him in the ring

(05-24-2023, 10:46 AM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Breech shouldn't sniff anywhere near any accolades, aside from, "longest-tenured kicker."

I get he was, "clutch," but he wasn't good, ever.

(05-24-2023, 10:41 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: Everyone mentions Ken Anderson, Willie Anderson, and they would mention Ken Riley as the players who should be in the hall, but Parrish’s accolades alone puts him in the hall.

How many other players have that many pro bowls and are not in the hall? I’m gonna guess maybe 1 other

(05-26-2023, 03:25 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: really ??   a few years ago for our 50 year celebration he was voted top 5 player of all time for bengals.  When he retired he was 10th leading score in NFL history, he was total clutch.. going 9 for 9 in OT games , you can't compare eras, kicking today and the approach is much different than back when Breech played, he was a solid kicker during his era and totally deserves someday to be in our HOF. 

(05-25-2023, 03:20 PM)Speedy Thomas Wrote: This is really tough.  I've been around since the start and I tend to favor the old guys.  But damn, Boomer and Chad...Imagine the atmosphere if those two went in on the same night.  It's good to have so many great players to choose from.

After careful consideration, my first vote goes to Lemar Parrish, who should be in Canton.  He played with Ken Riley and was probably better than Rattler.  60 career takeaways (47 ints, 13 fumble recoveries) and 13 return TD's.  Still has the record for season punt return average after the merger (18.8 in 1974).  Lemar is one of six corners with at least 8 Pro Bowls and is the only one not in the Hall of Fame.  Putting him in the ROH might help get him into Canton.

Second vote to Tim Krumrie.  All time leading tackler from the NT position, he defined heart and hustle.  There is no doubt in my mind that we would have won the Super Bowl in Miami if he doesn't blow out his knee on that pathetic excuse for turf.

It was such a shame that Riley was inducted posthumously.  Let's honor these guys while we can.

(05-27-2023, 10:41 AM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Who's comparing eras? Breech was average to poor AMONGST HIS PEERS:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/breecjim01.htm

- 5 seasons out of 14 being top 10 in FG%
- 104th all-time in FG% (71.47%), despite being 47th in attempts (340).

His peers include the Anderso/ens, Eddie Murray, Nick Lowery, Norm Johnson.

        - 79.7% for Morten, 270 more attempts
        - 80.1% for Gary, 230 more attempts
        - Murray 75.5%, 120 more attempts (and got worse as he got older, which means he was better during his and Breech's heyday)
        - Lowery 80%, 140 more attempts
        - Johnson 76.7%, 140 more attempts

- Morten (47.6% 50, 67.7 40), Gary (30% 50, 71.1%), Murray (48.8% 50, 65% 40), Lowery (44.8% 50, 70.9% 40), Johnson (42.5% 50, 67.1% 40) were ALL better than Breech's 23% from 50 and 50% from 40

- Morten is 31st (859 XP attempts at 98.8%), Gary is 18th (827 XP attempts at 99.1%), Murray is 37th (545 XP attempts at 98.7%), Lowery is 27th (568 XP attempts and 98.9%), Johnson is 24th (644 XP Attempts at 99%) are all SIGNIFICANTLY better than Breech, who is 129th, with 95.9% made XPs in 539 attempts.

Breech had 1 thing going for him (which you repeated) in that he was clutch. That's it. Otherwise, he was a league-average to below league-average kicker that came into the league probably 10 years too late and that's probably why his career ended in 1992, while all of his peers played basically to the millennium.

You don't get accolades because you were mediocre at your job for 14 years. Breech wasn't good, period.

And stop arguing it: don't be a Fred.

(05-28-2023, 11:39 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: So we have to bow down to your gospel??  You are sounding like Fred..

(05-24-2023, 10:41 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: Everyone mentions Ken Anderson, Willie Anderson, and they would mention Ken Riley as the players who should be in the hall, but Parrish’s accolades alone puts him in the hall.

How many other players have that many pro bowls and are not in the hall? I’m gonna guess maybe 1 other

(05-28-2023, 11:39 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: So we have to bow down to your gospel??  You are sounding like Fred..

(05-29-2023, 12:50 AM)bfine32 Wrote: It's not "his gospel" it's just facts. I love me some Jim Breech, but he was average at best compared to his peers. Unfortunately, that holds true for a number of Bengal greats. Personally, I love Reggie Williams and would be fine with him in the ROH, but it's because he was a great Bengal, not a great NFL LB. 

(05-29-2023, 10:53 AM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote:

A petulant and childish way of saying, "I got soundly trounced in this discussion and have no rebuttal for cold, hard facts, other than my emotions."


Williams was actually a VERY GOOD player amongst his peers though: he is also 72nd all-time in fumble recoveries (out of a pool of literally thousands more players that qualify for that stat) and 23rd all-time in safeties, plus he had 63.5 "unofficial," sacks and I can only imagine that he was up there in tackles every year as well.

He also won the WP Man of the Year award: 'nuff said.