(06-22-2023, 07:59 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: But I have no doubt in my mind if Burrow was given the situation that Mahomes was given he would have achieved more.

(06-22-2023, 07:33 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: There's a fine line between confidence and arrogance and the Bengals sure seem to love abusing that line in the media. I would rather not us be the team of heels who talk shit without ever winning anything. The Burrowhead stuff followed by losing was already bad enough without saying "Pat who?" about the reigning SB Champ and reigning MVP who knocked you out of the playoffs.

I'll call Burrow as the leading candidate for #2 in the NFL and hands down #2 if Rodgers is washed, but I don't care HOW favorable your situation is... if you've been a starter for 5 years and had the 1st, 5th, 6th, 4th, and 1st scoring offenses, you've hosted the AFC Championship game 5 times, been to the Super Bowl 3 times, been the league MVP 2 times, and won the Super Bowl 2 times? Yeah, you're the best.

(06-22-2023, 08:51 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Brady is the only QB who has won more than 2 SBs in the salary cap era and Mahomes has reached 2 in 5 years of starting. You are vastly underrating how historically good and successful Mahomes has been to think that someone can just be pasted in his place and do not just equal to what he's accomplished, but better.

(06-23-2023, 09:15 AM)Brownshoe Wrote: Mahomes has had 6 years of being in the league. Big Ben won 2 in his first 5 years. And I do think if Burrow and Mahomes switched spots he would have won more, especially when there was a couple of years where the AFC wasn't even close the being as stacked as it is now. Burrow had a crap team with a new HC when he came in the league, Mahomes had a constant contender with Andy Reid as a HC. He was set up for success while Burrow was set up for failure, and yet he didn't. He broke "curses" and won with a team that looked pitiful the years prior.

(06-23-2023, 09:40 AM)Housh Wrote: Burrow is better from minute 1 to minute 40 but Mahommes becomes another guy in clutch moments and that can’t be measured statistically.


Imo with no bias i don’t see how you can take Burrow over Mahommes right now. The main talking point id use in a Burrow defense is that Mahommes still has a tendency to throw up a BS pass if he’s pressured. Burrow essentially erased that from his game last year. So Burrow is more careful turnover wise but Mahommes is just better right now.

(06-22-2023, 04:32 PM)jj22 Wrote: Quiefs have gone all in on their attack on Chase.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/06/22/travis-kelce-to-jamarr-chase-dont-you-ever-disrespect-patrick-mahomes/

(06-22-2023, 05:09 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I though Travis was giving props to JC. Both are just standing up for their QBs.

WTS, Travis Kelce is quickly turning into a Class A Tool. 

Burrow also makes ~ $15M/year from endorsements.

They include:
• Nike
• Nerf
• Bose
• Kroger
• Lowe’s
• Fanatics
• Cashapp
• Buffalo Wild Wings

It's reported that Burrow ONLY spends his endorsement money, never his NFL cash. pic.twitter.com/DamCsHpyQU

— Andrew Petcash (@AndrewPetcash) January 29, 2023

(06-24-2023, 03:21 PM)J24 Wrote: Burrows is better in the pocket and Mahomes is better at improvising outside the pocket. It's much close than people realize but Mahomes still has a major advantage!

(06-24-2023, 03:21 PM)J24 Wrote: Burrows is better in the pocket and Mahomes is better at improvising outside the pocket. It's much close than people realize but Mahomes still has a major advantage!

(06-25-2023, 01:24 AM)Housh Wrote: I’m taking Burrow in a clean pocket 10/10 days. Im taking Mahommes if my line sucks.


I think Mahommes would’ve won that Super Bowl against the Rams.


But on the Flip side i think 2022 Burrow would’ve beaten Tom Brady’s Bucks that Pat lost to so it’s a wash for me honestly.

(06-25-2023, 01:24 AM)Housh Wrote: But on the Flip side i think 2022 Burrow would’ve beaten Tom Brady’s Bucks that Pat lost to so it’s a wash for me honestly.

(06-25-2023, 01:37 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: That 2020 Chiefs OL was not good. They ended up replacing their entire starting 5 from that year in the offseason. It was why they traded for Orlando, signed Thuney, and had 3 rookies starting in 2021.

I find it interesting we're only talking OL and not the fact that we proudly (and rightfully) that we have the best WR trio in the NFL meanwhile Mahomes' best WR last year would be our 4th best WR. Juju, Valdes-Scantling, and Justin Watson aren't exactly an unstoppable force. He does have Kelce who is basically a WR, but still, we have Chase, Higgins, and Boyd who are a WHOLE lot better collectively and people on here are worried that not paying Higgins would derail the offense.

Quote:We all love us some Joe Burrow. That dude is the real deal. Talent, charisma, leadership, a sense of the moment, swag for days -- he's everything you want from a franchise quarterback. So, while it's easy to nod your head in appreciation when Burrow tells reporters the Bengals' Super Bowl window is "my whole career," it's also smart to temper that gusto with some reality. Dan Marino probably thought the same way Burrow does, and he never returned to the Super Bowl after his second season.

(06-22-2023, 12:15 PM)SHRacerX Wrote: I am sure some of you are tired of this, and Ja'Marr;s recent "Pat Who?" only threw more gas on the fire.  However, I think there is one angle that is not discussed in the comparison.

Before I begin, I know that Mahomes has won two Super Bowls and Burrow has none to date.  I get that.  But how about comparing how they did in a similar situation?

In 2022, the Cheifs lost some key pieces on their offensive line to injury before the Super Bowl.  Their line was pretty good before then.  Here is Mahomes stat line from that game:

26/49 for 270 yards, 0 TDs, 2 INTs.  

He was facing an elite defense in Tampa Bay with a beat up offensive line.  

Here is how Burrow fared in his Super Bowl loss to the Rams:

22/33 for 263, 1 TD, 0 INTS

In fairness, Burrow was sacked an astonishing 7 times for 43 yards.  Mahomes was sacked 3 times for 27 yards.

There was a stat (couldn't find it exactly) about the difference between Mahomes and Burrow in last year's AFC title game in terms of time to throw before pressure.  Mahomes had something like 1.5 more seconds per drop back.

Why stir up this tired debate?  Because I think the Bengals have MORE weapons now, and have MORE depth now (including better starters) on the offensive line.  I can't wait to see how Burrow fares with a normal offseason, these new weapons, and a better, deeper line.

Mahomes gets (rightfully) praised for his two Super Bowl victories, but he doesn't seem to take any criticism for how he fared when he didn't have a great (or at least one of the best) offensive lines.