(07-03-2023, 11:51 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Actually after 21 Chase was the top #1, but Stafford was the top #9. 

(07-03-2023, 12:57 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Hurts plays for a franchise that won a Super Bowl with Nick Foles just a couple years before he got there. Both his OL and DL have been consistently #1 on many rankings I’ve seen. Dude played great last year, not trying to take anything away from him, but let’s be honest he walked into a great situation.

Chase otoh plays for a franchise that hadn’t won a single playoff game in 30 + years before his arrival. A team that didn’t even sniff the playoffs the year before despite having Joe Burrow (they weren’t making it even if he didn’t get injured). Chase has been about as impactful as you can get. He helped the Bengals win back-to-back division titles for the first time in franchise history, and has broken a bunch of records in his 2 years. Not only in the regular season, but the postseason as well.

If this is based solely off last season then it makes sense it’s Hurts, but if it’s entire body of work in the NFL so far it’s Chase.

(07-03-2023, 12:53 PM)Whatever Wrote: No, I asked what team success has to do with individual greatness.

The Browns suck.  Are Garrett, Ward, and Chubb not great individual players, though?  

It's strange that a board populated by fans that constantly lament that a lack of team success has kept a number of great individual players out of the HoF would immediately point at team success as a measure of an individual player in a discussion of current players.

(07-03-2023, 02:01 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Can't speak to others but I spoke to individual success for Hurts. Folks just cannot dismiss the fact that the team went 14-1 with him starting and 0-2 with him out. Ther's a great chance if Hurts doesn't get hurt (see what I did) he's the NFL MVP. While he was hurt he still missed fewer games than JC last year. 

While missing 2 games last year the kid had over 4,400 total yards of offense last year, 35 TDs, a passer rating of over 100. 

In the biggest game in his career, he had 374 total yards of offense, 4 TDs, and a passer rating of over 103.

It's OK if JC is the 2nd best player in the NFL to wear #1, but after last year 99.9% of NFL fans would give #1 to Jalen Hurts. 

(07-03-2023, 02:23 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Not dismissing but it’s worth noting that Philly had one of the easiest strength of schedules in the league last season. They really didn’t beat any premier teams until the 9ers in the NFC Championship (for comparison I’d say the Bengals had 2: Chiefs & Bills).

(07-03-2023, 02:01 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Can't speak to others but I spoke to individual success for Hurts. Folks just cannot dismiss the fact that the team went 14-1 with him starting and 0-2 with him out. Ther's a great chance if Hurts doesn't get hurt (see what I did) he's the NFL MVP. While he was hurt he still missed fewer games than JC last year. 

While missing 2 games last year the kid had over 4,400 total yards of offense last year, 35 TDs, a passer rating of over 100. 

In the biggest game in his career, he had 374 total yards of offense, 4 TDs, and a passer rating of over 103.

It's OK if JC is the 2nd best player in the NFL to wear #1, but after last year 99.9% of NFL fans would give #1 to Jalen Hurts. 

(07-03-2023, 03:44 PM)Whatever Wrote: The road game against Dallas that Hurts missed was Philly's toughest matchup all year and it was still a one possession game with his backup in.  Most experts said Mahomes was going to win MVP regardless.  

Hurts deserves full marks for his SB performance, however, people forget that he was held to under 200 yards of total offense in the Divisional round and NFCCG.  He has a career playoff passer rating of 87.7 and averages 45.5 rushing yards/game.  

We can also play the injury game with Chase, especially considering he was roasting guys with a hip fracture before he ever missed time.

(07-03-2023, 04:05 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I get it, You like Chase. Just understand 99.9% of NFL fans would take the starting QB that had an outstanding year and led his team to the Superbowl over the with the 17th most yards, 14th most receptions, and 6th most TDs in the NFL last year. 

(07-03-2023, 04:52 PM)Whatever Wrote: Fans will remember for decades the classic QB duels Hurts had against Daniel Jones and a literally one-armed Brock Purdy in the playoffs.  

(07-03-2023, 05:22 PM)bfine32 Wrote: A hypothetical for the group.

Roger Goodall makes a rule that the Steelers get Joe Burrow and we get Andy back because it's only fair.

He does say you can keep Ja'Marr Chase or trade him for Jalen Hurts. What do you do?

(07-03-2023, 05:27 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Become a fan of another team. 

(07-03-2023, 05:22 PM)bfine32 Wrote: A hypothetical for the group.

Roger Goodall makes a rule that the Steelers get Joe Burrow and we get Andy back because it's only fair.

He does say you can keep Ja'Marr Chase or trade him for Jalen Hurts. What do you do?

(07-02-2023, 07:33 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Jalen Hurts just went 14-1 as a QB, led his team to the Super Bowl, and should have been the 2nd player ever to win Super Bowl MVP in a losing effort. No one outside of Cincy or Louisiana would give Chase the nod over Hurts

(07-03-2023, 09:56 AM)TecmoBengals Wrote: Regarding the best #1, you have to go with the talented QB.

(07-03-2023, 04:05 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I get it, You like Chase. Just understand 99.9% of NFL fans would take the starting QB that had an outstanding year and led his team to the Superbowl over the with the 17th most yards, 14th most receptions, and 6th most TDs in the NFL last year. 

(07-03-2023, 05:43 PM)Hammerstripes Wrote: Maybe.  There's a lot of fans out there that will take into account more than 1 year as well as who plays the position better.

Hurts was average to below average until this past year.  If we are basing this off of one year, then sure, you can go Hurts since Chase was injured last year.