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RE: Better, much better but I still don't believe they are there yet. - PhilHos - 10-12-2023
(10-10-2023, 09:06 PM)Joelist Wrote: The defense issues against the run have not been power related - getting blown back off the line. Rather it is tackling and getting burned by cutbacks and deception plays. So the issue is more one of backside contain and edge setting than anything else. coverage wise our secondary got burnt once on a flat out blown coverage and Battle had one play where he was single high in the end zone - not something he has experience doing.
Offensively our line should do its job pass protecting just fine. Seattle's sack numbers are for 4 games 11 sacks against the Giants and 5 (IIRC) against the other three opponents. Coverage wise they rank 31st in the league in pass yards per game surrendered. They do rank 6th in the league in run defense so running well will be a challenge. So in theory expect another Burrow 40+ drop back game with them using the pass as a run proxy while looking to take the top off whenever possible.
Completely agree with you, Joe. 100%
RE: Better, much better but I still don't believe they are there yet. - KyBengalfan94 - 10-12-2023
(10-11-2023, 01:29 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: Cincinnati has been using play-action all season and have likely been looking to push the ball down the field all season. It just hasn't been there or Burrow hasn't felt comfortable throwing it.
A simple fake handoff from the shotgun isn't my idea of play action
RE: Better, much better but I still don't believe they are there yet. - KyBengalfan94 - 10-12-2023
Missed Tackles this season
Mike Hilton 8
CTB 6
Nick Scott 6
Logan Wilson 5
Germaine Pratt 4
Dax Hill 3
5 other players with 2
Total 50
Half of them from the secondary
Source.
RE: Better, much better but I still don't believe they are there yet. - Soonerpeace - 10-12-2023
The Ravens could very well lose Sunday in London. They’ve been on the road 3-4 games. Them and us being 3-3 would be great
RE: Better, much better but I still don't believe they are there yet. - HarleyDog - 10-12-2023
To the OP, we aint even close. We will eek this one out as we climb out of our hole. Still many things to correct, but think these guys will be the team that gels down the stretch at the right time.
RE: Better, much better but I still don't believe they are there yet. - chrisball96 - 10-12-2023
(10-12-2023, 08:37 PM)KyBengalfan94 Wrote: Missed Tackles this season
Mike Hilton 8
CTB 6
Nick Scott 6
Logan Wilson 5
Germaine Pratt 4
Dax Hill 3
5 other players with 2
Total 50
Half of them from the secondary
Source.
Let’s hope our defensive line is on point against the run on Sunday because based on these numbers if either one of Seattle’s RBs are getting to the second level we are in trouble, for multiple reasons.
RE: Better, much better but I still don't believe they are there yet. - KyBengalfan94 - 10-12-2023
(10-12-2023, 09:02 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: To the OP, we aint even close. We will eek this one out as we climb out of our hole. Still many things to correct, but think these guys will be the team that gels down the stretch at the right time.
I don't understand how a veteran team like the Bengals all the sudden forget how to play. This is their 3rd or 4th year under this system, mostly the same players minus a couple here and there. Everything should be established. The only thing I can look to is the huge change at safety losing Bell and Bates then the Joe Burrow injury.
Not having Perine is hurting also, I can't imagine why he decided to go to Denver for the same money but hey enjoy losing bro.
RE: Better, much better but I still don't believe they are there yet. - KillerGoose - 10-13-2023
(10-12-2023, 08:34 PM)KyBengalfan94 Wrote: A simple fake handoff from the shotgun isn't my idea of play action
Play-action is a fake handoff from either shotgun or under center. If your idea of play-action is something different, then it is irrelevant because it is wrong.
RE: Better, much better but I still don't believe they are there yet. - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 10-13-2023
(10-12-2023, 08:37 PM)KyBengalfan94 Wrote: Missed Tackles this season
Mike Hilton 8
CTB 6
Nick Scott 6
Logan Wilson 5
Germaine Pratt 4
Dax Hill 3
5 other players with 2
Total 50
Half of them from the secondary
Source.
Lou needs to put this on the bulletin board about all those missed tackles. Get this shit cleaned up.
RE: Better, much better but I still don't believe they are there yet. - Joelist - 10-15-2023
(10-12-2023, 08:37 PM)KyBengalfan94 Wrote: Missed Tackles this season
Mike Hilton 8
CTB 6
Nick Scott 6
Logan Wilson 5
Germaine Pratt 4
Dax Hill 3
5 other players with 2
Total 50
Half of them from the secondary
Source.
This will have a lot more on there after today.
RE: Better, much better but I still don't believe they are there yet. - Nicomo Cosca - 10-15-2023
(10-15-2023, 05:33 PM)Joelist Wrote: This will have a lot more on there after today.
You are such a miserable person.
RE: Better, much better but I still don't believe they are there yet. - KyBengalfan94 - 10-15-2023
(10-15-2023, 05:33 PM)Joelist Wrote: This will have a lot more on there after today.
Sad we can't keep track of bone head play calls from Zac Taylor
RE: Better, much better but I still don't believe they are there yet. - OUatown - 10-15-2023
Until they get a competent OC. It will never be good enough! Look at his offensive rank when he was at UC!
RE: Better, much better but I still don't believe they are there yet. - Soonerpeace - 10-15-2023
(10-15-2023, 06:08 PM)OUatown Wrote: Until they get a competent OC. It will never be good enough! Look at his offensive rank when he was at UC!
Injuries absolutely decimated them on offense
RE: Better, much better but I still don't believe they are there yet. - kalibengal - 10-15-2023
(10-15-2023, 06:17 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Injuries absolutely decimated them on offense
Do they have the balls to make a key trade or two in bye week period?
We could use another RB a TE and a DT to spell BJ or a edge guy to help our DEs.
RE: Better, much better but I still don't believe they are there yet. - Joelist - 10-15-2023
(10-15-2023, 06:06 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: You are such a miserable person.
Why? For stating the obvious that a lot of tackles were missed again and as such that list will have more missed tackles on it?
RE: Better, much better but I still don't believe they are there yet. - KillerGoose - 10-15-2023
(10-15-2023, 05:29 PM)KyBengalfan94 Wrote: So you think RPO is "Play Action" then. all of those are a fake handoff from the shotgun, so is that your definition of Play Action Pass?
Just asking to see how wrong you are in your own mind. I'd call you something else but the baby sitters would ban me for being honest.
Same baby sitters who take care of all of you on this board who obey just to get clout. Pathetic all of you.
They are trying to ban me right now, they just need a reason.
Well, I'm not surprised to see this moron is suspended, but I will respond nonetheless.
No, an RPO is not a play-action pass, and no, RPOs don't always occur from shotgun. An RPO is a run play that has a pass option added on to it. A play-action pass is a pass play with a run fake. This is irrelevant to what I originally said, though - the Bengals have utilized more RPOs this season than they have play-action passes, but they have still ran play-action passes every single game, which is what I was commenting on. And yes, you can run a play-action fake from shotgun. QB depth doesn't matter. What matters is how it is blocked and whether you have WRs running a route tree down the field.
RE: Better, much better but I still don't believe they are there yet. - Wyche'sWarrior - 10-16-2023
(10-11-2023, 10:56 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: The Seahawks are 3-1 for a reason, but they haven't played a QB like what we saw play against the Cardinals or a WR like what Chase is
right now. Our Defense expected more pass once we were up big and that big run by Moore was a great misdirection play in desperation.
I think it will be a tough game against a vet QB in Geno Smith and some good RB's that Seattle has. DK Metcalf might get some big plays
but I expect us to hit him good with our Safeties and CTB and frustrate him. I think we can pull this one out if Burrow is getting better in
health and his mind like he is showing. We also know now that we have a good backup WR/PR in Velveeta which is awesome and gives
Defenses another thing to think about if Tee cannot go.
As far as elite Corners go, I haven't seen it with Seattle. They have the names, but they have played against running teams for the most
part and are one of the worst teams against the pass. We will see against a passing Offense with a recovering Burrow at the helm.
Damn, good call Nate!