(11-08-2023, 12:02 PM)Synric Wrote: It's both for the TEs the personnel isn't great and they under utilize the position which isn't necessarily a bad thing. 


Tanner Hudson did a really good job of reading the coverages and finding a hole to sit in in zone coverage and flashing his numbers back to the QB but they aren't asking the TE group to go out there and be high in the progression against man coverage on 3rd downs. They have 3 very good receivers they rely on in those situations and rightly so...

There was one play Joe just told us they got caught in and he took a chance on Irv Smith Jr. It was a great route against man coverage to win leverage with a good release create separation with his body at the stem flip his hips elevate catch AND get down because he knows those back lines are getting close.

(11-08-2023, 10:39 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I'm going to step out on the ledge here and suggest that it isn't as much the actual personnel as much as the utilization that is making the RB and TE stats so weak.

(11-08-2023, 09:51 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Taylor said in his interview posted in another thread that Hudson has always been like the 54th player on the roster. My question, because I haven't looked it up, is who was not active that allowed him to move to the game day roster? Was Wilcox active, or was there a scratch at another position?

(11-08-2023, 10:32 AM)TheFan Wrote: Our RBs and TEs are clearly the weakest part of our offense. The RBs have been average at best all year with dome bad games (including against the Bills). I'll need to see more than 1 game where the TEs are utilized before I feel comfortable about our TE room. If Hudson continues to put up good numbers that's honestly more of an indictment on the staff that it took them until week 8 to see it when everyone here and many people covering the team saw it in preseason.

(11-08-2023, 01:26 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: No. That is not the way it works. 

You can elevate a guy from the PS to the 53 at any time. Which of the 53 are active in gameday has no direct bearing on it. I think you can 2 per week.  However....

Hudson had already been elevated twice, when Smith was hurt. You can only do it three times without exposing them to waivers. So teams don't usually elevate PS guys unless they are gonna be active on game day. 

With Jones & Brown & Anderson on IR, and Tycen out for the year, we had another permanent spot on the 53 open up, and Hudson had earned it. 

(11-07-2023, 11:12 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote:

Highest PFF Grades from the win over Buffalo

Offense:
1) Burrow, 91.1
2) Higgins, 86.2
3) Hudson, 81.3
4) Sample, 78.0
5) Smith Jr., 74.5

3 TIGHT-ENDS IN THE TOP 5 GRADED OFFENSIVE PLAYERS

Defense:
1) Taylor-Britt, 88.6
2) Awuzie, 76.3
3) BJ Hill, 75.4
4) Reader, 72.4
5) D.…

— Der German Tiger? (@DerGermanTiger) November 7, 2023

(11-08-2023, 02:31 PM)Sled21 Wrote: James Casey is a premiere Tight Ends coach. He got here at the end of Eifert's career here, but what he did with Uzomah, then Hurst, got them both paid. And if Hudson continues to put up good numbers here, after failing to prosper at his other teams, that is not an indictment of Casey, it is a confirmation. 

(11-08-2023, 02:35 PM)Sled21 Wrote: You still only get 48 allowed to be active on the game day roster. If he was active on game day, someone else wasn't.

(11-08-2023, 07:47 PM)SouthernFan Wrote: Anyone got ratings for the o-line. Does PFF still hate our o-line?

(11-08-2023, 07:59 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: Orlando Brown - 68.9 run block, 60.7 pass block, 66.7 overall
Cordell Volson - 43.5 pass block, 54.7 run block, 51.8 overall
Ted Karras - 61.2 pass block, 54.9 run block, 57.9 overall
Alex Cappa - 38.8 pass block, 69.2, 49 overall
Jonah Williams - 61.2 pass block, 55.1 run block, 60.1 overall

(11-08-2023, 07:59 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: Orlando Brown - 68.9 run block, 60.7 pass block, 66.7 overall
Cordell Volson - 43.5 pass block, 54.7 run block, 51.8 overall
Ted Karras - 61.2 pass block, 54.9 run block, 57.9 overall
Alex Cappa - 38.8 pass block, 69.2, 49 overall
Jonah Williams - 61.2 pass block, 55.1 run block, 60.1 overall

(11-08-2023, 09:00 PM)SouthernFan Wrote: Thanks, doesn’t look like PFF sees much improvement.

(11-08-2023, 10:32 AM)TheFan Wrote: Our RBs and TEs are clearly the weakest part of our offense. The RBs have been average at best all year with dome bad games (including against the Bills). I'll need to see more than 1 game where the TEs are utilized before I feel comfortable about our TE room. If Hudson continues to put up good numbers that's honestly more of an indictment on the staff that it took them until week 8 to see it when everyone here and many people covering the team saw it in preseason.

(11-08-2023, 07:40 PM)chrisball96 Wrote: In terms of the Tight End play I feel like a lot was being said earlier about how it looked like Joe didn't really trust that position and so it wasn't targeted. Joe, when injured, was going to the sure thing: Chase. This is totally understandable. But now that Joe is (A) healthy and (B) seeing that all our TE's are playing better, this could open a whole lot more opportunity for this offense.

It is one game, I get it. It may all be just a one-time thing. But Burrow makes everybody better, and if he looks the way of the TE and those guys are ready and able, it would be huge for this offense. Again, they don't have to put up Kelce/Kittle numbers (and likely never will) just be reliable and hold onto the football when open.

I think a lot of us were very concerned that we couldn't even get a basic level of play out of the TE position and even if it was just for one game, I'll take what we got on Sunday. But I'm greedy and hoping for more.

(11-08-2023, 11:18 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Pretty sure Buffalo had the highest graded pass rush in the league coming into our game. This was a tough matchup for our OL. Especially throwing it 44 times. Watching some of it back there was definitely plays where the pocket collapsed and Joe had nowhere to step up, but there was also some really nice pockets on some of his throws.

Sample was flat out amazing in that game. He blocked a DE by himself a couple times, and the OL was just looking around for work.

(11-09-2023, 09:16 AM)Sled21 Wrote: And that's why he is here. And just like Peko did, he gets a lot of hate for doing his job well. 

(11-08-2023, 07:59 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: Orlando Brown - 68.9 run block, 60.7 pass block, 66.7 overall
Cordell Volson - 43.5 pass block, 54.7 run block, 51.8 overall
Ted Karras - 61.2 pass block, 54.9 run block, 57.9 overall
Alex Cappa - 38.8 pass block, 69.2, 49 overall
Jonah Williams - 61.2 pass block, 55.1 run block, 60.1 overall

(11-08-2023, 08:14 PM)Nepa Wrote: Thank you.

Wow, the guards were bad on pass blocking. But looking good on the tackles.

(11-08-2023, 09:00 PM)SouthernFan Wrote: Thanks, doesn’t look like PFF sees much improvement.

(11-08-2023, 04:40 PM)TheFan Wrote: I'm not saying he's not a good coach but I think calling him a "premiere" coach might be a bit of a stretch. Uzomah was barely better in 2021 than 2018 before Casey arrived. Hurst did okay but it wasn't even close to his career year in Atlanta. Also the contracts they got are pretty mid for TEs on their non rookie deals.

And I didn't even mean an indictment on Casey as in his inability to coach. I meant indictment as far as the coaching staff (may not even be Casey) having Hudson sitting on the bench for basically 7 games, barring injury, if he was our best receiving TE on the roster. Maybe Irv will take off and Hudson will do nothing the rest of the year, proving all of us wrong and them right. But from what we've seen in Hudsons limited action he gives us the most from the TE spot, not counting Samples blocking.