(02-05-2024, 05:11 PM)JoeyB2023 Wrote: I think the value is way higher taking sweat in the second as opposed to taking newton at 18.  I like sweat better.  Would really like the bengals to trade back from 18 and move up a bit in the second.
If they could grab either JC, Mimms or Kingsley in the first and comeback with sweat in the second…woah.

(02-05-2024, 03:10 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Another way to look at it Most teams on average pass on 1st down so another way to look at it so if you have your run stuffer on 1st down i think it matters less anyway... if you don;t stop the pass on 1st down then you are playing from behind anyway. Also if they feel Newton reminds them of Atkins, Geno stopped the run well also by beating the Oline on the snap... My biggest worry with Sweat is he sounds like he will be off the field a decent amount with his size and conditioning, not sure if i want to invest a #1 in that type of player

(02-05-2024, 03:13 PM)Whatever Wrote: A 3 down player is always going to be more important than a 2 down player.  That's what most of the 2 gap NT's are now.  

In the salary cap era, you simply can't be great at everything.  You're going to have to prioritize resources.  

(02-05-2024, 12:15 PM)3wt Wrote: I think the DL depth is better than the OL depth.  And we need both a RT and (I think) and improved IOL - at least for depth.  But players like Barton and Powers-Johnson are very tempting guys in addition to the RT candidates.

(02-06-2024, 12:21 AM)TKUHL Wrote: Why not both? I have both available 1st Newton 2nd round Sweat on 90% of the mocks I do. Several mocks I have us going just that. No dickin around with the D line. We have to have a stronger Dline that can stop the run to even be able to compete with the other teams in the AFCN. Wouldn’t be mad if we used every damn pick on OL/DL and maybe if they find a decent TE in the draft, grab them too.

(02-06-2024, 01:27 AM)Whatever Wrote: Because of other needs.  

Jonah is a FA, is underwhelming, and will cost too much to resign.  RT must be addressed and it's a bad FA T group.  So we're going to have to be locked in on taking one of the Top 10-11 OT's in the first two rounds.  

Boyd will be gone, Higgins most likely FT'ed, and the current WR3 is Irwin, who will also be a UFA in '25.  If their pattern holds true, WR will be drafted in the first or second.

Our #3-4 LB's are UFA's, so cheap depth is needed there.

Awuzie is an UFA, so unless they sign a vet CB, CB depth will need to be added.  

Mixon is washed, Brown is horribly inconsistent, Evans sucks, and Williams is an UFA, so they need RB depth at minimum, preferably a new starter.  

They want Reader back and his quad injury just dropped his price, so hypothetically they only need a guy to rotate, which doesn't have to be Day 1 or 2.  

(02-05-2024, 06:38 PM)J24 Wrote: Newton- Pass rush and penetration in the running game kills offenses!

(02-05-2024, 10:24 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: The interior DL depth isnt good at all.  You would have BJ Hill and either Jay Tufele or Zach Cater as starters with Travis Bell as your 4th option.  That is a pretty bad interior defensive line.  While Hill is above average the rest of those guys are not.  You also have to consider Hill and Tufele are in the last year of their contract.  The Bengals need to add a couple of good interior Defensive linemen.

(02-06-2024, 09:53 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I agree that there are other needs to cover.  However, even if DJ Reader is re-signed at an affordable price, and he makes as good of a recovery as he did on the first leg, he still won't likely be ready for real game action until late in the season due to the injury occurring so late in this past season.  So, you still need a starting caliber NT to cover the first 12-15 weeks of the season.

(02-06-2024, 01:31 PM)Whatever Wrote: The Reader situation will have to be monitored.  How they deal with him and FA will be a telling sign.  If he's expected to miss significant time, I can see them signing a stop-gap vet on a one-year deal to cover for, then rotate with him.  I can't see him getting a multi-year deal and them drafting a NT day 1 or 2 to rotate.  

(02-06-2024, 01:39 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: After this year's dismal performance in stopping the run, I have a sneaking suspicion that will be a focal point for the Defense this offseason.  If this team has genuine Superbowl aspirations, they're going to have to field a Championship level defense.  A "stop-gap" level player while they hope and wait for a full recovery and return to form from DJ Reader just isn't going to cut it.  They need a top level NT through the draft, and a competent veteran to shoulder the load while Reader gets back to his self.  I have a feeling that the secondary performance will be much improved with the young players getting settled into their roles and the communication becomes more natural.

(02-04-2024, 01:55 PM)Synric Wrote: T'Vondre Sweat looked alot better day 2 and 3 of the Senior Bowl but it was just more tape confirmation. Testing is what will drag Swest into the first round or keep him around that early day 2 guy. I don't think he will test as well has his nfl comparisons Vita Vea and Haloti Ngata. It feels like 50/50 odds he will test at all other than bench.

(02-06-2024, 02:48 PM)Stewy Wrote: His tape, attitude and personality is what will drag him into the 1st round.  I watched every Texas game.  He was a constant disruptor in the pass and run game. often laughing off double teams.  He will not be there in the 2nd round for us.  He's going to go 20-30 easily.

(02-06-2024, 12:21 AM)TKUHL Wrote: Why not both? I have both available 1st Newton 2nd round Sweat on 90% of the mocks I do. Several mocks I have us going just that. No dickin around with the D line. We have to have a stronger Dline that can stop the run to even be able to compete with the other teams in the AFCN. Wouldn’t be mad if we used every damn pick on OL/DL and maybe if they find a decent TE in the draft, grab them too.

(02-07-2024, 12:24 AM)bfine32 Wrote: I'm terrible at "scouting" DTs and haven't really gotten one right since Geno Smith. WTS, Sweat scares me because he didn't weigh in at the Senior Bowl and Newton seems small. By the spirit of the OP. if I had to choose 1 it would be Sweat. But ask me I'd take Tim Krumrie...Branden Fiske in the 3rd...

(02-07-2024, 10:30 AM)Whatever Wrote: Kingpin has definitely boosted his stock.  I'm also surprised I don't see any love for Darius Robinson after he wrecked just about everyone at the Senior Bowl.

(02-07-2024, 10:30 AM)Whatever Wrote: Kingpin has definitely boosted his stock.  I'm also surprised I don't see any love for Darius Robinson after he wrecked just about everyone at the Senior Bowl.