(04-03-2024, 01:53 PM)ochocincos Wrote: You should add an OT forecasted in the mid-late 20's into your list like Guyton, I think.

If I had to pick out of your list though, I'd probably go Newton, personally.
This would be a situation I'd probably try to trade back into the mid-late 20's.

(04-03-2024, 02:48 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I just get weary of someone who hasn't even started an entire season's worth of games in college.
It just feels too risky to me.
But I'm probably more risk-averse than most people, and I'm by no means anywhere close to a scout in regard to identifying talent or whether someone will be good or not.
Just my uneducated opinion.

(04-03-2024, 03:11 PM)Synric Wrote: I just try to rate the film with the little bit of outside information as I can. Jermaine Burton is a guy I'm higher on because he's a good player but he has the off-field that we're on the field issues. 


Speaking or Mims he's in Cincy for a top 30 visit today adding to the thread lol.

(04-04-2024, 03:21 AM)Bilbo Saggins Wrote: Both Latu and Verse don't seem to get much respect with whatever process he's using.  That surprises me because both look like steals at 18.

(04-04-2024, 03:21 AM)Bilbo Saggins Wrote: Both Latu and Verse don't seem to get much respect with whatever process he's using.  That surprises me because both look like steals at 18.

Fuaga with a ~20% and Latham with a ~80% shot of being there at 18 is interesting.  Fuaga intrigues me but I'd wonder if his true home isn't at guard in the pros.  Latham would be my favorite realistic OT pick at 18.

Barton isn't given much respect here either, even making it to the 2nd round pick ~10% of the time.  Is he not the most promising C prospect in this draft?  Frazier in 2 would be great imo(he's at ~60% probability of being available in the 2nd).

Mims screams potential bust imho.  8 career starts?  We need Jim Mora to say "8 starts????"  Not enough evidence that he's a first rounder.

Turner, Mitchell, Fautanu, Thomas, Arnold...none really excite me.  Both of the DTs look to be a little overhyped.  Maybe I'm ignorant.

Bowers...ok he's interesting.  Wouldn't be my first choice.  They've never really needed a first round pedigree type of TE in this offense.  It'd be interesting to see just what they'd do with him and if they could maximize his skills.

It's an interesting thought exercise.  It'd be cool if he revisited his process after the draft and maybe even years later once we know who the hits and misses were to evaluate just how accurate it was.

(04-03-2024, 01:43 PM)depthchart Wrote: This is where I start thinking about BPA.

Who is more likely NOT to Bust ?

Amarius Mims or Byron Murphy II or Brian Thomas JR or Quinyon Mitchell or Jer'Zhan Newton or Jackson Powers-Johnson or even DE Laiatu Latu

(04-04-2024, 01:53 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I agree.

I feel we are going to have a choice of a long-term starter with #18 pick. I mentioned in another thread, we may draft a WR. Can you imagine a WR room of:

Chase
Higgins
Thomas/Mitchell (1st round pick)
Yoshi
Jones
Irwin

TE weapon Gesicki

Chase can play anywhere including the slot. Opposing defenses would be kept guessing if Chase was in motion, who covers him and how do they double him? 

I like the ND starting RT in round 2 if we choose to skip an OT in round 1. I like Sweat as a possibly round 3 pick, but we may have to move up in round 3 to get him.

(04-03-2024, 01:08 PM)depthchart Wrote: Mims might be a good option. He is MASSIVE.

6 foot 7 and 3/4 inches tall  340 pounds  36 & 1/8 inch long arms

The Steelers seem interested in Mims at pick #20. They met with him.

(04-04-2024, 01:53 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I agree.

I feel we are going to have a choice of a long-term starter with #18 pick. I mentioned in another thread, we may draft a WR. Can you imagine a WR room of:

Chase
Higgins
Thomas/Mitchell (1st round pick)
Yoshi
Jones
Irwin

TE weapon Gesicki

Chase can play anywhere including the slot. Opposing defenses would be kept guessing if Chase was in motion, who covers him and how do they double him? 

I like the ND starting RT in round 2 if we choose to skip an OT in round 1. I like Sweat as a possibly round 3 pick, but we may have to move up in round 3 to get him.

(04-04-2024, 10:24 AM)ochocincos Wrote: He is factoring need into this as well, FWIW.
Bengals are arguably completely full on DE.
Hendrickson, Hubbard, Murphy, Ossai, Sample.

(04-04-2024, 09:13 PM)Bilbo Saggins Wrote: That's not how I see it. Hendrickson is the 2nd most vital player on the team behind Burrow. Hubbard is a solid, productive guy. Sample is more of a hybrid IDL/gap holder than terror off the edge. Murphy and Ossai are questionable as backups. Murphy was solo blocked by a TE at times.  Should Hendrickson have to miss any time the pass rush looks really shaky. 

(04-04-2024, 06:55 PM)FormerlyBengalRugby Wrote: Who is blocking?

Toys are nice, but games are won in the trenches.

I would love it if Joe could just run backwards until someone came open, ala Madden, but protection and d-line is more importatn, IMO, than adding another weapon, especially with Tee still on the team.

If the o-line was rock solid and the Bengals had a better d-line, I would be on board. At the moment, not so much.

(04-03-2024, 03:14 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I will admit too that I was skeptical of Josh Allen when he came out of Wyoming too.
Had it been me, I would have passed on him because of the work he needed.
I know he had the tools, but he was not good coming into the league, and it even took him a couple years to get things going.

I hope Mims blossoms into a great OT, especially if he were to be a Bengal.
I just don't trust this staff to groom an OT properly.

(04-04-2024, 09:13 PM)Bilbo Saggins Wrote: That's not how I see it. Hendrickson is the 2nd most vital player on the team behind Burrow. Hubbard is a solid, productive guy. Sample is more of a hybrid IDL/gap holder than terror off the edge. Murphy and Ossai are questionable as backups. Murphy was solo blocked by a TE at times.  Should Hendrickson have to miss any time the pass rush looks really shaky. 

(04-05-2024, 08:50 AM)Synric Wrote: What's fun about Amarius Mims is if you disregard the playing time and look at everything else he is the best overall fit at OT for the Bengals with his position (RT over Left), tape, measureables, where his upside is, pedigree (5 star national top 10 recruit), winning program... lol

(04-05-2024, 11:56 AM)ochocincos Wrote: JFC, people need to learn to give patience to rookies.
What is to say drafting yet another DE will result in any kind of decent playing time for that rookie this year?
The pecking order will be Hendrickson and Hubbard getting majority of snaps with Murphy likely first off the bench.
Hendrickson and Hubbard are signed through 2025, so any rookie is likely not getting significant playing time until 2026.
You wanna toss yet another 1st round pick to DE when they may not make significant contributions until Year 3?

But if you add another edge, then 1) you'll have to cut Sample or Ossai, and 2) that's another premium draft pick toward a position they just added to last year and taking away from a position that is more of a need.