(10-28-2024, 01:25 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Thanks for a good post Nicomo, made me feel better about you buddy.

Burton's problems have always been mental. He beat Slay man, not easy.

(10-28-2024, 11:31 AM)Timanky12 Wrote: Why do we always draft the dumb receivers.  Didn’t we draft Ross a couple years ago, who couldn’t get on the field, because he didn’t know the offense.

(10-28-2024, 01:04 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: He was on the left when he ran onto-and-off the field to make the refs delay the snap to give the defense time to substitute and sending Burrow into a hissy.

He was also on the left when he looked like he ran the wrong route and was nowhere nearby as the ball almost got intercepted.

Nothing positive on the left side this year as far as I know.

(10-28-2024, 01:02 PM)Ell Prez Wrote: Charlie jones is a complete bum. He doesn’t belong in the NFL. Neither does Irwin. We keep these awful back end scrubs because Brown is too cheap to invest in to depth. He buys depth pieces in FA and has them as our starters. Bell, Stone, Hill, borderline Rankins are all rotational pieces. Not starter level NFL players.

(10-28-2024, 01:36 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: You read the post wrong in the Trey thread my man. Ofc Trey is not a backup.

(10-28-2024, 01:48 PM)TecmoBengals Wrote: This is where I wonder if having a smaller scouting department compared to other NFL teams comes into play. Other organizations stay away from a Burton type, not because of character concerns as reported by the media, but possibly because their scouts identified a concern that he just cannot handle knowing an NFL playbook. The Bengals scouts didn't have the ability to make such a determination.

I'm just speculating, of course.

(10-28-2024, 02:17 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Charlie Jones is one of only 3 players in the NFL with a KR TD so far.
Jones has a YPR for KRs at 40.0, the best in the league with players who have 5+ KRs.
Jones is only 15th in PR average though at 7.1.
Return Specialist is about all he's been good for in his 1.5 seasons.
"Complete bum" though is a little overboard though. He does have value on ST.

(10-28-2024, 02:22 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: They intended for him to take the boyd role, or at least be a 600 yard guy

He doesn’t even see the field. Big whiff by duke and co.

Then again, you’re putting a lot on a 4th rounder by asking him to fill Boyd’s shoes

(10-28-2024, 01:48 PM)TecmoBengals Wrote: This is where I wonder if having a smaller scouting department compared to other NFL teams comes into play. Other organizations stay away from a Burton type, not because of character concerns as reported by the media, but possibly because their scouts identified a concern that he just cannot handle knowing an NFL playbook. The Bengals scouts didn't have the ability to make such a determination.

I'm just speculating, of course.

(10-28-2024, 02:21 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I'd go a different route, personally.

I've noticed the Bengals go for high-ceiling guys but maybe who need more refinement to get there.
Zach Carter, Jermaine Burton, Andrei Iosivas, Joseph Ossai just to name a few.
Each of these guys had some amazing, albeit inconsistent tape in college.
It might ultimately come down to the coaches thinking they could refine these guys when in reality they haven't really gotten too much out of them (at least yet).
Either these dudes haven't shown ability to improve in their areas of weakness enough and/or the coaching effort or techniques just haven't been resonating well.

(10-28-2024, 02:21 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I'd go a different route, personally.

I've noticed the Bengals go for high-ceiling guys but maybe who need more refinement to get there.
Zach Carter, Jermaine Burton, Andrei Iosivas, Joseph Ossai just to name a few.
Each of these guys had some amazing, albeit inconsistent tape in college.
It might ultimately come down to the coaches thinking they could refine these guys when in reality they haven't really gotten too much out of them (at least yet).
Either these dudes haven't shown ability to improve in their areas of weakness enough and/or the coaching effort or techniques just haven't been resonating well.

(10-28-2024, 12:53 PM)Wyche Wrote: That, and quitting on routes.

Andrei Iosivas has now played three games without Tee Higgins this season. He's run 107 routes, but earned a meager 12.7% target share. It's resulted in:

Week 1: 3-26-0
Week 2: 2-7-2
Week 8: 0-0-0

— Adam Levitan (@adamlevitan) October 28, 2024

(10-28-2024, 02:27 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Yeah...and we seem to draft A LOT of guys that are either local to Ohio, from Cincy, or from a big program that's on TV all the time. To me, that screams we don't have the scouting to scour for diamonds.

(10-28-2024, 01:01 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Where are you getting those preseason statistics?
Not being snarky, genuinely asking.

I ask because the times I can remember Burton making a catch, he was catching from the right side of the field.

Going back and looking at PFF snaps by detailed position for preseason, it was:
50% Left WR, 50% Right WR.
It's apparently been close to 50% in regular season too.
He's been targeted so little I guess that I just haven't noticed him on the left during games.

(10-28-2024, 11:31 AM)Timanky12 Wrote: Why do we always draft the dumb receivers.  Didn’t we draft Ross a couple years ago, who couldn’t get on the field, because he didn’t know the offense.

(10-28-2024, 03:23 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: I remember him making several plays on the left side in preseason.

(10-28-2024, 12:52 PM)WychesWarrior Wrote: Which is insane. Just let Burton run around back yard style until he's open at this point. It's still gonna be better than Yoshi/Irwin/Jones.