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RE: Tee vs a NEW D - Nicomo Cosca - 12-28-2024
(12-28-2024, 04:02 PM)FormerlyBengalRugby Wrote: If they let Tee walk and sit on the money, we know the Brown family are not in it to win it.
Their problem isn’t that they won’t spend, it’s that they typically spend on the wrong guys. I’d rather have Tee than another 24 type FA class like Rankins, Stone, Moss, etc.
Now if they had more free agency’s like 21 that would be a different story.
RE: Tee vs a NEW D - ERIC1 - 12-28-2024
(12-28-2024, 12:34 AM)jason Wrote: I wanna keep Tee and improve the defense. Not sure why this has to be a mutually exclusive thing.
Offense does fine without the often injured higgins..organization can find number 2 and 3 receivers...you cant spend over 100 million on burrow, chase and higgins..
RE: Tee vs a NEW D - ERIC1 - 12-28-2024
(12-28-2024, 12:35 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: It’s not either or. They can do both if they make the right cuts.
No they cant..and you dont spend twenty plus million a year on an often injured player
RE: Tee vs a NEW D - ERIC1 - 12-28-2024
(12-28-2024, 02:49 AM)Weazzel80 Wrote: Sign Tee. Loosing your best players is not a good way to improve the team. And Burrow had made it very clear that he wants him back and his opinion is more important than anyone else's, including the front office.
Bengals offense does quite well without the often injured higgins..love burrow but his opinion is not more important than what needs to be done for the overall good of the team
RE: Tee vs a NEW D - ERIC1 - 12-28-2024
(12-28-2024, 02:27 PM)Synric Wrote: Tee Higgins is the top free agent in this class.
I can promise you any good team in the nfl is having concerns about higgins chronic injury issues
RE: Tee vs a NEW D - Nicomo Cosca - 12-28-2024
(12-28-2024, 04:23 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: I can promise you any good team in the nfl is having concerns about higgins chronic injury issues
Just like you promised us they weren’t benching Volson for Ford.
Tee is the consensus #1 FA in 2025. Just like Synric said.
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2025-nfl-free-agent-rankings
https://www.si.com/nfl/2025-nfl-free-agency-ranking-the-top-50-players
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2025-nfl-free-agency-ranking-top-25-potential-free-agents-including-tee-higgins-and-sam-darnold/
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/42330910/2025-nfl-free-agent-ranking-top-25-buzz-predictions-higgins-darnold
RE: Tee vs a NEW D - FormerlyBengalRugby - 12-28-2024
(12-28-2024, 04:32 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Just like you promised us they weren’t benching Volson for Ford.
Tee is the consensus #1 FA in 2025. Just like Synric said.
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2025-nfl-free-agent-rankings
https://www.si.com/nfl/2025-nfl-free-agency-ranking-the-top-50-players
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2025-nfl-free-agency-ranking-top-25-potential-free-agents-including-tee-higgins-and-sam-darnold/
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/42330910/2025-nfl-free-agent-ranking-top-25-buzz-predictions-higgins-darnold
No one disagrees that Tee is a top free agent, only that his health issue would give pause to teams courting him.
RE: Tee vs a NEW D - bfine32 - 12-28-2024
(12-28-2024, 04:20 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: Bengals offense does quite well without the often injured higgins..love burrow but his opinion is not more important than what needs to be done for the overall good of the team
On average in YPG w/ Tee this team averages 333ish yards that would be 13th in the NFL, with Tee we average 374ish that would be 5th.
RE: Tee vs a NEW D - Nicomo Cosca - 12-28-2024
(12-28-2024, 04:36 PM)FormerlyBengalRugby Wrote: No one disagrees that Tee is a top free agent, only that his health issue would give pause to teams courting him.
And all the “pause” in the world will mean nothing when he’s immediately signed. Tier 1 FA’s don’t just sit around on the market.
RE: Tee vs a NEW D - NUGDUKWE - 12-28-2024
I was in the trade Tee or move on from him and focus on the defense. But with Burrows comments and the fact we have gotten in this hole from letting good players go. I say we keep both. We can't keep worrying about how things will work out in the future and let our talent leave. We have a ton of holes to fill and Tee will not be easy to replace. Why take the strong point of our team and weaken it while hoping we can build up our weaknesses.
RE: Tee vs a NEW D - Frank Booth - 12-28-2024
Beating up on bad teams apparently makes you forget just how bad this defense is when facing good teams
Having Tee Higgins when the defense is this bad is worth zero. They need to let him walk if they’re serious about fixing this dreadful roster
RE: Tee vs a NEW D - Luvnit2 - 12-28-2024
In my humble opinion, Tee is not only the #1 FA, but he is also better than any WR in the draft.
Tee will be paid in 2025. Will it be us or someone else? If not us, is there a market for a 26-year-old WR to put with a new young QB?
The Titans, Raiders, Pats and Jags all need a WR1 All have cap space as well.
It is a huge decision for the FO. But the decision to cut high salary unperforming players Cappa, Hubbard, Rankins, Moss and Stone and replace with better free agents may be the bigger decision.
If me, I try and sign Higgins for 5 years with escalating salary averaging 22 million over 5 years. It could be structured so cap escalates each year. Something like this due to signing bonus:
Year 1 - 16 million and 100% guaranteed
Year 2 - 20 million and 100% guaranteed
Yeat 3 - 24 million and 100% guaranteed
Year 4 - 25 million and 15 million guaranteed
Year 5 - 25 million and no guaranteed
5 years - 110 million with 75 million guaranteed
My point is we could keep Tee and replace underperforming defensive starters thru FA and the draft. If we keep Tee, our offense will need to replace one guard (Cappa) and upgrade guard for Volson.
We would need to go after some studs in FA to improve our defense immediately, but would have the cap space needed IF WE CUT AND INCREASE CAP DOLLARS SIGNIFICANTLY. No player on our defense can be upset if they are cut, they did not get the job done and like all of us, poor performance equals a pink slip.
RE: Tee vs a NEW D - bfine32 - 12-28-2024
(12-28-2024, 04:36 PM)FormerlyBengalRugby Wrote: No one disagrees that Tee is a top free agent, only that his health issue would give pause to teams courting him.
Teams would pause about as long as Detroit did to sign DJ Reader. FA opened 13 MAR, DJ signed 14 MAR
RE: Tee vs a NEW D - Nicomo Cosca - 12-28-2024
(12-28-2024, 04:58 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: The Titans, Raiders, Pats and Jags all need a WR1 All have cap space as well.
The Jags have found their WR1. Brian Thomas Jr is a stud.
RE: Tee vs a NEW D - SunsetBengal - 12-28-2024
(12-28-2024, 04:12 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Their problem isn’t that they won’t spend, it’s that they typically spend on the wrong guys. I’d rather have Tee than another 24 type FA class like Rankins, Stone, Moss, etc.
Now if they had more free agency’s like 21 that would be a different story.
They spent a huge bag on defense in 2021, and then three years later everyone is saying that unit was only average at best, at it's best. All of those FA investments on defense were supposed to bridge the gap while players they continued to draft developed.
Guess what? It's freaking Groundhog day, the young draft picks haven't developed, and we need to re-tool the defense again. Blame the reason for that on coaching, talent evaluation, management or whatever, but something has to change. Teams shouldn't have a platoon needing a FA overhaul every 3 years.
RE: Tee vs a NEW D - Nicomo Cosca - 12-28-2024
(12-28-2024, 05:04 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Teams shouldn't have a platoon needing a FA overhaul every 3 years.
3 years is an eternity in the NFL.
RE: Tee vs a NEW D - SunsetBengal - 12-28-2024
(12-28-2024, 05:06 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: 3 years is an eternity in the NFL.
The difference is that we have a franchise QB now on his 2nd contract, a superstar WR about to get his big bag, and a minor star WR also needing paid or hitting the road. None of those things were even remotely an issue in 2021. Do you see a path that maintains the integrity of the offense, yet allows for a massive FA overhaul on defense?
RE: Tee vs a NEW D - Nicomo Cosca - 12-28-2024
(12-28-2024, 05:10 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: The difference is that we have a franchise QB now on his 2nd contract, a superstar WR about to get his big bag, and a minor star WR also needing paid or hitting the road. None of those things were even remotely an issue in 2021. Do you see a path that maintains the integrity of the offense, yet allows for a massive FA overhaul on defense?
Yes. We’ve been over it ad nauseam. The cuts are there. Rankins, Hubbard, Stone, just to name a few.
RE: Tee vs a NEW D - SunsetBengal - 12-28-2024
(12-28-2024, 05:16 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Yes. We’ve been over it ad nauseam. The cuts are there. Rankins, Hubbard, Stone, just to name a few.
I'm not sure that the "cut a few guys" theory really plays out. Has anyone really considered what it costs for proven performers at those positions? Not to mention free agent selection at IDL and Safety is very limited this coming offseason.
RE: Tee vs a NEW D - Synric - 12-28-2024
(12-28-2024, 05:20 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I'm not sure that the "cut a few guys" theory really plays out. Has anyone really considered what it costs for proven performers at those positions? Not to mention free agent selection at IDL and Safety is very limited this coming offseason.
Free Agency DL is kinda meh.
The Bengals were linked to Azeez Ojulari at the trade deadline. They were also looking for corners so maybe Carlton Davis? Poona Ford and BJ Hill looks like the top of the IDL market. Milton Williams and Osa Odighizuwa as rotational guys.