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RE: Guard in the first round? - Bengalstripes9 - 02-25-2025

(02-25-2025, 11:20 PM)bfine32 Wrote: You tell me you can give me Donovan Jackson at #17; I'm good.

Honestly id rather pick up a legit DT and corner in FA, then they could draft BPA and hopefully land a legit guard at some point that can play on a rookie contract for 4-5 years.

RE: Guard in the first round? - pulses - 02-26-2025

(02-25-2025, 11:20 PM)bfine32 Wrote: You tell me you can give me Donovan Jackson at #17; I'm good.
Won't happen Jackson is a consensus 3rd round pick about anywhere you look. Taking him at 17 would be foolish.

RE: Guard in the first round? - bfine32 - 02-26-2025

(02-26-2025, 01:40 AM)pulses Wrote: Won't happen Jackson is a consensus 3rd round pick about anywhere you look. Taking him at 17 would be foolish.

Well, the first place I look is NFL.COM. They have DJ as the 17th-ranked player in the draft:
https://www.nfl.com/combine/tracker/participants/

What are the"anywhere's" you look?

RE: Guard in the first round? - pulses - 02-26-2025

(02-26-2025, 01:45 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Well, the first place I look is NFL.COM. They have DJ as the 17th-ranked player in the draft:
https://www.nfl.com/combine/tracker/participants/

What are the"anywhere's" you look?

nfldraftbuzz bleacherreport just to name a couple i'm sure I could find MANY more.

RE: Guard in the first round? - bfine32 - 02-26-2025

(02-26-2025, 02:02 AM)pulses Wrote: nfldraftbuzz bleacherreport just to name a couple i'm sure I could find MANY more.

I'm sure NFLDRAFTBUZZ and bleacherroport are great publications. But I roll more with folks like Daniel Jerimiah. Cynthia Freeland, Mel Kiper, and Bucky Brooks. Not to mention the kid was a 5-star recruit coming out of HS who was 2-time All Big-Ten at LG his Sophomore and Junior years. Most likely would have been All-American if he would have stayed inside this year.

Guards are not sexy, but a good one is worth a lot. There was nothing "special" about Kevin Zeitler, but you tell me I can have him again at #17. I'm taking it. Hell. I'd take Clint Boling without the early retirement

RE: Guard in the first round? - Bengalstripes9 - 02-26-2025

(02-26-2025, 02:25 AM)bfine32 Wrote: I'm sure NFLDRAFTBUZZ and bleacherroport are great publications. But I roll more with folks like Daniel Jerimiah. Cynthia Freeland, Mel Kiper, and Bucky Brooks. Not to mention the kid was a 5-star recruit coming out of HS who was 2-time All Big-Ten at LG his Sophomore and Junior years. Most likely would have been All-American if he would have stayed inside this year.

Guards are not sexy, but a good one is worth a lot. There was nothing "special" about Kevin Zeitler, but you tell me I can have him again at #17. I'm taking it. Hell. I'd take Clint Boling without the early retirement

Foolish I say!

If you look at the rankings of players on nfl.com we are looking at a guard/tackle, a corner rising up boards, a DT, an edge that falls, or a TE that falls, etc.

They all have a very similar grade of around 6.4, with the tight ends having the highest grades.

Most mocks I see have Seattle taking a guard immediately after us because their line sucks and the grade of the player is in line with that spot.

But yea, none of this makes any sense and I must be crazy for suggesting the possibility.

My biggest want in free agency is now a DT. There’s a lot of them available and if they can replicate the success they had after picking up Reader they can get the D back on track. DT is vital to the defensive scheme, as evidenced by the results the last 4-5 years.

RE: Guard in the first round? - bfine32 - 02-26-2025

(02-26-2025, 02:32 AM)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: Foolish I say!

If you look at the rankings of players on nfl.com we are looking at a guard/tackle, a corner rising up boards, a DT, an edge that falls, or a TE that falls, etc.

They all have a very similar grade of around 6.4, with the tight ends having the highest grades.

Most mocks I see have Seattle taking a guard immediately after us because their line sucks and the grade of the player is in line with that spot.

But yea, none of this makes any sense and I must be crazy for suggesting the possibility.

It seems each year an IOL goes much higher than mocked. If any of us knew who it would be we'd not be posting in this forum. You gimme the following at 17 and I'm OK:

Booker
Jackson
Membou

RE: Guard in the first round? - Speedy Thomas - 02-27-2025

Guy from Alabama is a beast. Put him next to Mims and get out of the way.

RE: Guard in the first round? - Whatever - 02-27-2025

I don't personally see a G in this class worth taking in the 1st round.

Low positional value for G's, no truly elite G prospects imo, and OL in the 1st last year make me think it won't happen. Not to mention Duke's comments about the G group at the Combine don't really make it seem like they are willing to invest that kind of draft capital.

RE: Guard in the first round? - ochocincos - 02-28-2025

I might be in the minority, but I like a handful of guard prospects in FA and feel like that's where they should get new ones.
Trey Smith will be the expensive, elite one, but I also like James Daniels and Dalton Risner as less expensive options.
On top of that, Guard is usually cheaper to pay in FA compared to other positions.

I'd rather the draft go toward DL, pass catcher, or DB in Rd 1.

RE: Guard in the first round? - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 02-28-2025

(02-25-2025, 12:35 AM)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: Would people be upset about us picking a guard in the first, either via staying put or trading down?

The more I look at it, I really don’t want them to reach on a project edge that is above average at best as a ceiling. I think I’d rather have a great guard for the next 5 years.

Follow that up with helping the defense with the rest of the picks.

I’m tired of seeing them reach for picks. Doesn’t happen all the time, but probably half the time it happens.

Never upset with going trenches in the first round, but haven't heard many Guards mentioned that would be available that would be BPA there 
unless we trade down. DT is where I am leaning along with TE if Kenneth Grant isn't there and Warren is. Hopefully we get at least 1 Guard in FA 
and I would prefer 2 starting Guards to free up the Draft.

RE: Guard in the first round? - Bengalstripes9 - 02-28-2025

(02-28-2025, 03:58 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Never upset with going trenches in the first round, but haven't heard many Guards mentioned that would be available that would be BPA there 
unless we trade down. DT is where I am leaning along with TE if Kenneth Grant isn't there and Warren is. Hopefully we get at least 1 Guard in FA 
and I would prefer 2 starting Guards to free up the Draft.

I’m not sure I see them spending big on guards in FA but it could happen.
They already have older vets at guard and that’s what you’re looking at in FA. They need a young guard or two in my opinion. I also think management attributes the guard play to playing through injuries. But I do think they’ll address it.

I think the biggest needs are on defense and I’d love to see DT addressed this year in FA much like the Reader deal. It’s such an important position as evidenced by the defensive performance the last 4 years or so.

I’m not convinced one of the top DTs falls to them but it could.

I’m expecting a FA DT and a 1st round edge player to address the front 7.

I’m expecting another bargain CB with upside.

I’m expecting a bargain FA running back like Perine too.

They probably go guard in the 2nd or 3rd round.

We’ll see. Definitely an important offseason and will be fun to track!

RE: Guard in the first round? - Luvnit2 - 02-28-2025

(02-26-2025, 01:40 AM)pulses Wrote: Won't happen Jackson is a consensus 3rd round pick about anywhere you look. Taking him at 17 would be foolish.

I am not sure the sources you are using, but the ones I use now have him in the top 40, so early 2nd round grade. I will be shocked if he is available when we pick at 49. He has shown he can play LT and guard.

I use:
 Pro football network mocks
NFL Draft Data Base
NFL Draft Buzz

I used to use ESPN and CBS but have found them not as a reliable.

RE: Guard in the first round? - Luvnit2 - 02-28-2025

(02-26-2025, 02:41 AM)bfine32 Wrote: It seems each year an IOL goes much higher than mocked. If any of us knew who it would be we'd not be posting in this forum. You gimme the following at 17 and I'm OK:

Booker
Jackson
Membou

I would agree with these 3 as well. I would prefer a trade back to 23 to 28, I think at least 1 of the 3 will be available with that pick.

I like the idea of fixing OG in free agency. I like Becton, Fries and Daniels. I would love 2 of the 3. Then cut Cappa.

RE: Guard in the first round? - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 02-28-2025

(02-28-2025, 05:02 PM)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: I’m not sure I see them spending big on guards in FA but it could happen.
They already have older vets at guard and that’s what you’re looking at in FA. They need a young guard or two in my opinion. I also think management attributes the guard play to playing through injuries. But I do think they’ll address it.

I think the biggest needs are on defense and I’d love to see DT addressed this year in FA much like the Reader deal. It’s such an important position as evidenced by the defensive performance the last 4 years or so.

I’m not convinced one of the top DTs falls to them but it could.

I’m expecting a FA DT and a 1st round edge player to address the front 7.

I’m expecting another bargain CB with upside.

I’m expecting a bargain FA running back like Perine too.

They probably go guard in the 2nd or 3rd round.

We’ll see. Definitely an important offseason and will be fun to track!

We will see if they cut Cappa soon, if they do, I think we will grab at least 1 Guard in FA, maybe 2. Guard was the most obvious 
weakness on the Offense last season without a doubt. On Defense, it was DL and thankfully this is a very deep DL class. Who is 
your Edge player in the first round? I think DT is the most likely and it being Kenneth Grant.

Guard in the 2nd round seems more likely than in the first, would love Donavan Jackson, but expect him to go before 49.

Wanting Skattebo the RB out of Arizona State in the mid rounds, think he fits just what we need.

RE: Guard in the first round? - pulses - 02-28-2025

(02-28-2025, 06:50 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I am not sure the sources you are using, but the ones I use now have him in the top 40, so early 2nd round grade. I will be shocked if he is available when we pick at 49. He has shown he can play LT and guard.

I use:
 Pro football network mocks
NFL Draft Data Base
NFL Draft Buzz

I used to use ESPN and CBS but have found them not as a reliable.

and nfldraftbuzz has him as a 3rd rounder I just looked

RE: Guard in the first round? - Bengalstripes9 - 03-01-2025

(02-28-2025, 07:13 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: We will see if they cut Cappa soon, if they do, I think we will grab at least 1 Guard in FA, maybe 2. Guard was the most obvious 
weakness on the Offense last season without a doubt. On Defense, it was DL and thankfully this is a very deep DL class. Who is 
your Edge player in the first round? I think DT is the most likely and it being Kenneth Grant.

Guard in the 2nd round seems more likely than in the first, would love Donavan Jackson, but expect him to go before 49.

Wanting Skattebo the RB out of Arizona State in the mid rounds, think he fits just what we need.

I’m not sure who but it seems like they are very interested in edge like they were OT last year. I think it’s likely the pick this year. Could be Grant too but I think DT is the most important piece on defense and if you look at nfl.com’s list of top free agents there are a ton of DTs on that list. If it were me I’d sign their top option for DT in FA and solidify the interior before the draft.

I think Grant could very well be there when they pick and they are looking at him or a few edge players, and I’m still not ruling out guard either because of the grades of picks 14-40 or so being very similar. I don’t think the top 2 DTs are there when they pick so edge seems most likely.

RE: Guard in the first round? - CJD - 03-01-2025

I have mixed feelings about guard in the first round.

We definitely need a guard and getting a premier talent in the first round feels like a great way to secure the Oline.

The problem I have is that we have needs at Edge, DT, and IOL (among others like safety, TE, RB, LB and, depending on what we do with Higgins, WR).

And, statistically speaking, it is much easier to fill guard in free agency than it is DT or edge.

Of the top 15 paid players at each position, 10 right guards and 10 left guards were signed via free agency (with 8 others drafted by the team that paid them, and 2 traded for).

Similar case for centers.

But for DTs, 12 of the 15 highest paid DTs were paid by the team that drafted them. For edge, it's 9 of the 15.


So, ideally, I want to use our first round pick on a position that we can't easily sign a star in free agency. We can sign guards in free agency since they're comparably less expensive.

RE: Guard in the first round? - Truck_1_0_1_ - 03-01-2025

(02-25-2025, 05:54 AM)pulses Wrote: Mason Taylor is the TE I want and he's only 20 years old.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mason_Taylor

Never knew the league started before May 8th.

I like him and would be happy with him as a pick, but he isn't 20 when the season starts, thus that's moot.

RE: Guard in the first round? - Jpoore - 03-01-2025

You know how I feel about Donovan Jackson. A guard who can play LT in a pinch? Yes please. Imagine the offense tbh is year if we had Donovan Jackson there instead of our backup LT. but that being said I feel confident you can get him in a trade down. Rd 2 looks like the meat of this draft.