(10-01-2016, 02:04 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: One thing i completely forgot to mention (i was reminded from a comment in another thread), on a couple of occasions, Zeitler pulled left and was slow to get to the point of attack and compounded that by whiffing on his block. 

The Bengals have always been a stronger pull team to the right and for the life of me, i don't understand why they don't do it more. 

(09-30-2016, 09:08 PM)CageTheBengal Wrote: I'll have to take your word cause it sounds like you put in the study time.

In some ways cant Ogbuehi be having a rough transition because Zeitler isn't playing up to par? I cant say I've been watching Zeitler all the time so maybe I'm wrong or maybe he just sticks out because of the false starts.

(09-30-2016, 08:44 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Let me first say, i was on the front lines, with my bull horn, screaming about how pathetic they were. Then i rewatched the game today when i got home. Every offensive play, frame by frame to find the breakdowns. 

Guys are going to get beat on occasion. That's a given. With that said, here is what i saw. 

1. Ced Ob, much more than anyone, missed a pickup or simply couldn't contain his block long enough to give the RB time to do something. 
2. TEs and WRs on the end of the line were very porous--much much more so than the 5 guys up front. 
3. Jeremy Hill missed many opportunities when there was real estate to the left or right. He had a tendency to run straight ahead into a pile when a cut either way would have given him some room...which brings me to this point; i really wonder if Hill even has the ability to be a one cut back. 

The Oline has had heaps of criticism dumped on their heads recently (this year and last) but when i went back and focused on their play and not my gut reaction while watching the game, i was very surprised in what i saw. Several holes were there for bigger gains and missed. I'd say there were more opportunities missed than there were missed blocks by a C, OG or OT. 

I know this thread won't be received well, or flat out ignored, but you can't deny what is there on tape when you look a little closer. 

(10-01-2016, 10:27 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Hill is averaging 3.8 ypc while Bernard is averaging 2.7. In this game, Hill averaged 3.4 while Bernard averaged 1.8 on 10 carries. If Hill is a big part of the problem, how is Gio not when he's putting up inferior numbers?

I agree that Ogbuehi has been a big problem thus far. Bodine is as well. He was much better in this game, but I'm still very worried about him going forward. It's fair to wonder if Hill contributes to the run problems, but I just have trouble believing he's a big part of it when (1) Gio is averaging a full yard less per carry and (2) we've ranked 20th or worse in YPC in every season but one (2014) from 2006-present. The one year we were good, it was mostly thanks to Hill, so...

(10-01-2016, 10:27 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Hill is averaging 3.8 ypc while Bernard is averaging 2.7. In this game, Hill averaged 3.4 while Bernard averaged 1.8 on 10 carries. If Hill is a big part of the problem, how is Gio not when he's putting up inferior numbers?

I agree that Ogbuehi has been a big problem thus far. Bodine is as well. He was much better in this game, but I'm still very worried about him going forward. It's fair to wonder if Hill contributes to the run problems, but I just have trouble believing he's a big part of it when (1) Gio is averaging a full yard less per carry and (2) we've ranked 20th or worse in YPC in every season but one (2014) from 2006-present. The one year we were good, it was mostly thanks to Hill, so...

(10-01-2016, 02:56 PM)3wt Wrote: I will say that once they get in open space they both look really good. 

(10-12-2016, 08:42 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Watching the All 22 on GR and...as much you you'll hate to hear it...Bodine is playing well and isn't the weak spot, again. 

I know, i know. You saw him get blown off the ball which resulted in a Dalton sack in the 2nd quarter. The one thing you didn't see on that play was Zeitler pulling hard, right at the snap--i don't know if he thought it was a run or what he was thinking--to block a blitzer coming from the left side. You know who else was going over there to block that blitzer? Jeremy Hill. Zeitler actually bumped him out of the way to get to the blitzer (Jeremy could have just stood there and picked his nose...that's about all he could do at that point), leaving Bodine (who had started to throw out his right arm and double team #92) all alone. 

Zeitler has been buttered poo an awful lot this year, but people can't seem to get off the Bodine witch hunt. Just from a quick once-through, Og looks better this game too, so Zeitler's crappiness is mystifying. 

I'm not big Bodine fan, but i'm not going to ignore when he's playing well, which he is. 

Go ahead. Tell me how terrible they are so i have to get inspired enough to take screenshots and vines to show you what i'm saying. 

(10-12-2016, 08:48 PM)BengalsRocker Wrote: I think Og is the new flavor this week.

That flavor is sh*t.

It's been the flavor of the month for the O-line.  You know... kinda like pumpkin spice.

(10-12-2016, 08:55 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: I don't think he was too bad...and i only hesitate to say that because i wasn't focusing on anyone or writing anything down as i was watching. I was just rewinding each play and watching each lineman, one at a time. 

It really is amazing how it always seems to be something different. It's not like 8 guys are playing well and 2 are breaking down mostly. Sometimes it's Og, a lot of the time it's Z, sometimes it's Boling, sometimes it's Bodine (though, much less than past years seemingly), a lot of the time it's the TEs bad blocking, sometimes it's the QB zooming out of the pocket sooner than he needs to, sometimes it's the backs missing holes or lanes...it's nothing consistent that you can point to and say 'this needs to get better for us to be better'. 

It's like the whole team just can't get in sync. 

(10-12-2016, 08:44 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: One thing that REALLY stood out in this game was how quick Dalton was to flee the pocket and run. 

Hey, big guy...try sliding a bit, moving up a few feet and looking to throw downfield once in a while. 

(10-12-2016, 08:42 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Watching the All 22 on GR and...as much you you'll hate to hear it...Bodine is playing well and isn't the weak spot, again. 

I know, i know. You saw him get blown off the ball which resulted in a Dalton sack in the 2nd quarter. The one thing you didn't see on that play was Zeitler pulling hard, right at the snap--i don't know if he thought it was a run or what he was thinking--to block a blitzer coming from the left side. You know who else was going over there to block that blitzer? Jeremy Hill. Zeitler actually bumped him out of the way to get to the blitzer (Jeremy could have just stood there and picked his nose...that's about all he could do at that point), leaving Bodine (who had started to throw out his right arm and double team #92) all alone. 

Zeitler has been buttered poo an awful lot this year, but people can't seem to get off the Bodine witch hunt. Just from a quick once-through, Og looks better this game too, so Zeitler's crappiness is mystifying. 

I'm not big Bodine fan, but i'm not going to ignore when he's playing well, which he is. 

Go ahead. Tell me how terrible they are so i have to get inspired enough to take screenshots and vines to show you what i'm saying. 

(10-13-2016, 12:10 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Thanks for studying up Rfaulk, seemed like the whole team besides maybe Lafell played terrible in that one.

Zeitler has really stood out to me in a bad way this season, early on i thought it was because of the two guys on
each side of him but i think i was wrong. He is playing bad all by himself and i don't know what the reason is.



I just hope the team starts to come together after that pathetic showing cause there was so many negatives
everywhere. Hell, even Geno looked bad. Sims was the one guy fired up out there, forgot about him. He was in
Burfict's face, actually loved the passion from Sims.

(10-13-2016, 12:20 PM)Wyche Wrote: I noticed that too.  Maybe he should supplant Peko?