(10-20-2016, 11:01 AM)treee Wrote: Watching the Bengals this year is an offensive observation.

(10-20-2016, 12:36 AM)impactplaya Wrote: why doesn't Gio Bernard get to run the same routes as Leveon Bell does?

(10-20-2016, 04:59 PM)fredtoast Wrote: This never happened.


You mean to show how stupid some fans are?

(10-20-2016, 03:44 PM)fredtoast Wrote: What does he have on Sports Illustrated that forced them to write a feature story about how well respected he is around the league?

What does he have on the guys at ProFootballFocus, Football Outsiders, and all the other sources that have ranked our O-line so high over the last few years. 

(10-20-2016, 07:27 PM)Sabretooth Wrote: What does past respect around the league have to do with how this o line is performing ?
Bread used to cost 24 cents a loaf in the past but not now....


How highly is this o line ranked today?
This o line plays in 2016, the past is gone never to return.

(10-20-2016, 08:00 PM)fredtoast Wrote: What does this one season have to do with having a "lifetime contract"?  Why are you trying to act like you are just whining about this one season?

When was the last time an O-line coach got fired mid-season?

(10-21-2016, 12:38 AM)Sabretooth Wrote: This is the season we are losing and our o line is struggling to pass protect and open up holes for the backs.

IDK when an o line coach got fired mid-season, but the ravens fired their offensive coordinator days ago ( in season ).

The past is a wonderful place ( I sometimes visit in my head ) , but I prefer living in the present.

(10-20-2016, 07:27 PM)Sabretooth Wrote: What does past respect around the league have to do with how this o line is performing ?
Bread used to cost 24 cents a loaf in the past but not now....


How highly is this o line ranked today?
This o line plays in 2016, the past is gone never to return.

(10-21-2016, 11:27 AM)Wyche Wrote: That article was written about the clinic PA attends, not him.....just throwing that out there for you.

(10-21-2016, 12:09 PM)Housh Wrote: lol heres Fredtoast again seeing what side people in the thread are taking and then arguing the opposite. Its like clockwork. No way he believes anything hes saying

(10-21-2016, 11:40 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Wrong again.  Here is as feature article all about Alexander.

http://www.si.com/vault/2016/02/11/lay-it-line

 Since 2007, when the stat was first kept, the Bengals rank first in PFF's pass-blocking-efficiency statistic ("a rating that reflects the most efficient pass blockers on a per-pass-blocking snap basis") at 84.1%. The league average is 79.5%. And Cincinnati has been remarkably consistent year to year, ranking outside the top six of that stat just once.

......


"Obviously, we do it a little differently in Cincy," says backup tackle Eric Winston, who has played for three other teams in 10 seasons. "And I think it works really well. It's hard to argue with the results."

......

"We always used to butt heads," says Hue Jackson, Cincinnati's offensive coordinator and former running backs coach. "When I was made coordinator [in 2014], we spent some time going over all the ways he taught things. Sitting there with him, it made me realize how good he was. How he teaches, the different props and tools he uses—it's different. But the results are outstanding."





BTW, Wyche, thanks for making me look this up because I actually found a second article that praises PA.  He was selected as the best O-line coach in the league.

http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/06/07/best-nfl-coaches-paul-alexander-bengals

 Alexander has been the Bengals’ offensive line coach since 1994, and added the title of Assistant Head Coach in 2003. He’s served under four different head coaches for the Bengals, and his lines have blocked for four different running backs with 1,000-yard seasons. Cincinnati’s line under Alexander has ranked among the top 10 in fewest sacks allowed totals in four of the last five NFL seasons,  and it set franchise records for low quarterback takedowns in two different seasons before that. Alexander has gotten the job done with his front five through multiple personnel shifts, injuries, coaching philosophies, and schematic shifts in the league. At this point, he should be talked about in the same breath as legendary line coaches like Howard Mudd and Alex Gibbs. 

(10-21-2016, 12:16 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Why would I NOT agree with the experts instead of a bunch of message board haters.

i am PROUD to say that I disagreed with the sheep here who swore that Justin Smith was garbage, that Leon Hall could not cover fast receivers, that Whitworth had trouble with speed rushers and should be moved to guard, that the Bengals would never go to back-to-back playoffs with Marvin as coach, that Dre Kirkpatrick was the 118th ranked CB, that Dalton's arm was too weak to throw the deep ball, that Maualuga was the worst LB in the league, that Peko was garbage, and so on and so on and so on.

(10-21-2016, 12:51 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: You forgot Marvin will not win a playoff game as HC at Cincinnati 

(10-21-2016, 10:27 AM)fredtoast Wrote: That is the same shallow, simplistic logic that lead some people to think Niuck Foles was the best QB in the entire league.

"Just look at one season.  Nothing that ever happened before matters.  Derp"

(10-21-2016, 11:40 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Wrong again.  Here is as feature article all about Alexander.

http://www.si.com/vault/2016/02/11/lay-it-line

 Since 2007, when the stat was first kept, the Bengals rank first in PFF's pass-blocking-efficiency statistic ("a rating that reflects the most efficient pass blockers on a per-pass-blocking snap basis") at 84.1%. The league average is 79.5%. And Cincinnati has been remarkably consistent year to year, ranking outside the top six of that stat just once.

......


"Obviously, we do it a little differently in Cincy," says backup tackle Eric Winston, who has played for three other teams in 10 seasons. "And I think it works really well. It's hard to argue with the results."

......

"We always used to butt heads," says Hue Jackson, Cincinnati's offensive coordinator and former running backs coach. "When I was made coordinator [in 2014], we spent some time going over all the ways he taught things. Sitting there with him, it made me realize how good he was. How he teaches, the different props and tools he uses—it's different. But the results are outstanding."





BTW, Wyche, thanks for making me look this up because I actually found a second article that praises PA.  He was selected as the best O-line coach in the league.

http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/06/07/best-nfl-coaches-paul-alexander-bengals

 Alexander has been the Bengals’ offensive line coach since 1994, and added the title of Assistant Head Coach in 2003. He’s served under four different head coaches for the Bengals, and his lines have blocked for four different running backs with 1,000-yard seasons. Cincinnati’s line under Alexander has ranked among the top 10 in fewest sacks allowed totals in four of the last five NFL seasons,  and it set franchise records for low quarterback takedowns in two different seasons before that. Alexander has gotten the job done with his front five through multiple personnel shifts, injuries, coaching philosophies, and schematic shifts in the league. At this point, he should be talked about in the same breath as legendary line coaches like Howard Mudd and Alex Gibbs. 

(10-21-2016, 11:40 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Wrong again.  Here is as feature article all about Alexander.

http://www.si.com/vault/2016/02/11/lay-it-line

 Since 2007, when the stat was first kept, the Bengals rank first in PFF's pass-blocking-efficiency statistic ("a rating that reflects the most efficient pass blockers on a per-pass-blocking snap basis") at 84.1%. The league average is 79.5%. And Cincinnati has been remarkably consistent year to year, ranking outside the top six of that stat just once.

......


"Obviously, we do it a little differently in Cincy," says backup tackle Eric Winston, who has played for three other teams in 10 seasons. "And I think it works really well. It's hard to argue with the results."

......

"We always used to butt heads," says Hue Jackson, Cincinnati's offensive coordinator and former running backs coach. "When I was made coordinator [in 2014], we spent some time going over all the ways he taught things. Sitting there with him, it made me realize how good he was. How he teaches, the different props and tools he uses—it's different. But the results are outstanding."





BTW, Wyche, thanks for making me look this up because I actually found a second article that praises PA.  He was selected as the best O-line coach in the league.

http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/06/07/best-nfl-coaches-paul-alexander-bengals

 Alexander has been the Bengals’ offensive line coach since 1994, and added the title of Assistant Head Coach in 2003. He’s served under four different head coaches for the Bengals, and his lines have blocked for four different running backs with 1,000-yard seasons. Cincinnati’s line under Alexander has ranked among the top 10 in fewest sacks allowed totals in four of the last five NFL seasons,  and it set franchise records for low quarterback takedowns in two different seasons before that. Alexander has gotten the job done with his front five through multiple personnel shifts, injuries, coaching philosophies, and schematic shifts in the league. At this point, he should be talked about in the same breath as legendary line coaches like Howard Mudd and Alex Gibbs. 

(10-21-2016, 09:00 PM)3wt Wrote: Got to hand it to you Fred, you put more facts behind your support of Alexander than I would have thought was available.  Interesting that Hue appears to have had issues with him but came around to his way of thinking.

As much as I've been down on the guy I stand humbled.  But I won't lie I feel queasy about it.

Rep

(10-22-2016, 06:02 AM)Wyche Wrote:  Plus I look at his hand picked players failing miserably.

(10-22-2016, 06:02 AM)Wyche Wrote:  A couple of those 1000 yard rushers came behind quite a bit of unbalanced sets.....BJGE...Benson