(10-20-2016, 05:10 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Interesting you should say this, because I've heard the axiom that you fire the HC when you really want to fire the whole team.

(10-21-2016, 08:29 AM)Trademark Wrote: Too bad because the Bengals are making the playoffs

(10-21-2016, 08:28 AM)HarleyDog Wrote: We could lose them all and Marvin would be retained to rebuild the franchise. He will stay until he retires and they rename the stadium after him. Unfortunately even though I'm being sarcastic, you can actually see it happening.

(10-20-2016, 08:50 PM)xxlt Wrote: ^ This is why Bob Knight said he would never coach in the pros. He said the coach has all the accountability, but makes less than the players. When a team underperforms, do they fire the team, no they fire the HC. So, if all the accountability is with the HC, shouldn't he be paid at least as much as the top players? And when he (or she) doesn't and the players know if they underperform the coach will be fired, what incentive do players have to listen to coaches? 

(10-20-2016, 01:05 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Look, I'm a die hard fan and I have ALWAYS hated people who even HINTED that they wanted the team to lose. With that said, I'm fed up with Marvin Lewis as head coach. I love what he's done for the Bengals and I think he's a tremendous judge of talent  , but I'm done. I'm tired of his coaching not to lose mentality. I'm tired of his conservative approach and his insistence on doing things the way everyone else supposedly does. I'm tired of his stubborness and constant refusal to make changes until past the time they were necessary.

Admittedly, I wanted him gone after 2010 as well and I admit that I was glad he stayed on for the next 5 seasons. But, I'm done. I want a new head coach. I want a no nonsense, in your face kind of coach. I want someone who will either get a guy like Burfict under control or send him packing. I want a guy who will pull out ALL the stops when down by 3 TDs or more. I want someone who'll get in the refs face when they make a bad call.  

I am fully aware that this rainbow unicorn of a coach may not exist and even if he did, there's no certainty we'd be the team that gets him, but I'm tired of this team making the same mistakes week after week. I'm tired of doubting if we'll even beat a team like the Browns.

Maybe I'm being a tad melodramatic, but I can't help but wonder, if the best thing for the future of this team is to have a losing season and hoping that Brown or Katie either fires Lewis or Lewis decides to retire.

I'm not there, yet. I still hold out hope that we'll turn things around and go on a run and sneak into the playoffs, but there's a growing part of me that thinks otherwise.

Make no mistake, fred, I'm not saying Lewis is a bad coach. But, I do believe he's done all he can with this team and it's time for him to move on.

(10-21-2016, 09:18 AM)Hoofhearted Wrote: No. He's not risking the potential long term injury to his mind/body playing. 

If the players under-perform, they only hurt themselves with a) playing time (which equals money) and b) respect from other coaches/players. Do you think a coach from many teams will take a guy who quit on his current coach? Depends on how good he is, but there's no way it doesn't hurt his stock. 

(10-21-2016, 09:59 AM)xxlt Wrote: This was Knight's argument, not mine, for the record. But, I think he has a point and I will go ahead and defend it.

Yes the player is risking his mind and body, and you hear all the time about players in a "contract year" doing well and then production dropping after they get paid. And if production drops for one, or for all, they don't get fired, the coach does. So again, the coach is accountable for player(s) performance more than the player(s).

Hell sometimes the failing player(s) get more money. Look at the free agency market. There is always an owner willing to pay top dollar for a mediocre player. It happens literally multiple times every year. The same mediocre player who is just trying not to get hurt and costs his coach his job ends up cashing in during free agency after putting up mediocre numbers.

No justice. Look for coaches to kneel during the anthem next year as a protest.

(10-21-2016, 11:12 AM)2ndHalfAdjustment Wrote: Marvin needs to be fired as soon as possible. That being said, you don't fire Marvin until you find a coach better than him to replace him, and I don't know if we can do that.

(10-21-2016, 11:12 AM)2ndHalfAdjustment Wrote: Marvin needs to be fired as soon as possible. That being said, you don't fire Marvin until you find a coach better than him to replace him, and I don't know if we can do that.