(09-24-2019, 11:41 AM)Wyche Wrote: 1992 is also the year after Paul died, and Mikey took full control ......

(09-24-2019, 11:38 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Throwing a 4th Round pick at an issue at starter isn't going to get the issue done most years...unless that draft pick is Russell Bodine.   

I think the fact that Pratt hasn't replaced one of those guys is partially the answer.

(09-24-2019, 12:14 PM)ochocincos Wrote: In terms of the draft, the Bengals could have traded up in Rd 2 to get one of Risner, Ford, etc, but it seemed like they expected one of those guys to fall to them since so many were still on the board. We had heard though that they were ready to take one of those guys if they had reached them.

Trading up for one of them was about the only thing better than taking Jordan.

You might say they should have picked up a good LG in FA, but I would have rather seen the Bengals get a stud LB or RT than a LG.

EDIT - Not to mention some of us (like myself) thought this was a great opportunity for Westerman to finally get some snaps and emerge as the starting LG. I personally thought he was going to get that starting gig and roll with it this year, leading to an extension and the Bengals would have their future LG.

The real thing with the Bengals is that they are very particular about who they will give big contracts to. Cordy Glenn is the only outside player who I can recall getting near $10 mill a year. All the other players at $10+ mill a year have been internal re-signings. The Bengals will reserve plenty of money to try to retain their own good players rather than gamble on players from outside the organization.

(09-24-2019, 12:58 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Saffold, Hicks, Fort, Alexander...there were guys that could have upgraded them.

I know those guys cost money, but so does Dennard who might not play this year.

(09-24-2019, 01:22 PM)ochocincos Wrote: See my previous statement. Outside of Glenn, the Bengals haven't given a $10+ mill a year contract to an outside player in a LONG time (ever?)
The Bengals FO philosophy is fill the roster with a bunch of $3-8 mill a year contracts rather than a few expensive stars.

And you're right regarding Dennard. His $4.5 mill and Eifert's $3 mill could have instead been combined with remaining cap space to put toward one of the higher end guys you mentioned or CJ Mosley or JuWuan James.

With the new regime, we seem to have a more open competition for roster spots compared to years previous, which is good. However, it's the same FO with the same approach to acquiring talent. Until that changes, we'll see the same B-to-C level veterans coming to Cincinnati with the team (over)relying on having continuously good drafts.

(09-24-2019, 02:06 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Nice post. And open competition is great...when it's 2 talented guys competing. Some of our position battles is between 2 poor players.

(09-24-2019, 02:28 PM)ochocincos Wrote: If this was the Marvin era, we likely would have seen the Bengals keep Malone and/or Core rather than roll the dice on Willis and Tate. Malone/Core would very likely been given reps over Ross as soon as Ross made a gaffe. We likely would have seen Price starting at C with probably Hopkins at LG.

While the results haven't been where we would like, it is refreshing to see some new faces rather than the same ole', same ole' being rolled out.

I think the fact the Bengals couldn't sign Taylor until after the Super Bowl really put a hamper on getting the staff quickly enough. Then, he had to try to put a staff together, which took all of February. That left very little to no time for talent evaluation and probably contributed to signing guys like Hart and Brown in FA.

(11-20-2016, 06:45 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Modern free agency began in the NFL in 1992. Before that, players had great restrictions for leaving teams and it didn't happen as much.

The Bengals have not won a playoff game since the 1990 season.

I believe these 2 events are highly correlated. 26 years and counting of not winning a playoff game.

(11-20-2016, 06:45 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Modern free agency began in the NFL in 1992. Before that, players had great restrictions for leaving teams and it didn't happen as much.

The Bengals have not won a playoff game since the 1990 season.

I believe these 2 events are highly correlated. 26 years and counting of not winning a playoff game.

(09-24-2019, 01:22 PM)ochocincos Wrote: See my previous statement. Outside of Glenn, the Bengals haven't given a $10+ mill a year contract to an outside player in a LONG time (ever?)
The Bengals FO philosophy is fill the roster with a bunch of $3-8 mill a year contracts rather than a few expensive stars.

And you're right regarding Dennard. His $4.5 mill and Eifert's $3 mill could have instead been combined with remaining cap space to put toward one of the higher end guys you mentioned or CJ Mosley or JuWuan James.

With the new regime, we seem to have a more open competition for roster spots compared to years previous, which is good. However, it's the same FO with the same approach to acquiring talent. Until that changes, we'll see the same B-to-C level veterans coming to Cincinnati with the team (over)relying on having continuously good drafts.

(09-24-2019, 04:04 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: Even up till 1990, they only experienced playoff victories in 3 of Paul's 23 years. Even though they've played in 2 Super Bowls, postseason success just hasn't been a part of this franchise. 

Of course, Mike's run as owner is now in it's 29th year without a playoff win - barring some incredible turnaround - which is astounding in a very depressing way. 

(09-24-2019, 04:31 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Anyone remember when we signed Warren Sapp and then found out he signed with the Bucs?

(09-24-2019, 02:28 PM)ochocincos Wrote: If this was the Marvin era, we likely would have seen the Bengals keep Malone and/or Core rather than roll the dice on Willis and Tate. Malone/Core would very likely been given reps over Ross as soon as Ross made a gaffe. We likely would have seen Price starting at C with probably Hopkins at LG.

While the results haven't been where we would like, it is refreshing to see some new faces rather than the same ole', same ole' being rolled out.

I think the fact the Bengals couldn't sign Taylor until after the Super Bowl really put a hamper on getting the staff quickly enough. Then, he had to try to put a staff together, which took all of February. That left very little to no time for talent evaluation and probably contributed to signing guys like Hart and Brown in FA.

(09-24-2019, 02:28 PM)ochocincos Wrote: If this was the Marvin era, we likely would have seen the Bengals keep Malone and/or Core rather than roll the dice on Willis and Tate. Malone/Core would very likely been given reps over Ross as soon as Ross made a gaffe. We likely would have seen Price starting at C with probably Hopkins at LG.

While the results haven't been where we would like, it is refreshing to see some new faces rather than the same ole', same ole' being rolled out.

I think the fact the Bengals couldn't sign Taylor until after the Super Bowl really put a hamper on getting the staff quickly enough. Then, he had to try to put a staff together, which took all of February. That left very little to no time for talent evaluation and probably contributed to signing guys like Hart and Brown in FA.