(11-21-2016, 02:26 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: The team is 3-6-1 following a 12-4 season, and the man is having meetings to discuss hot dogs. This should just be added to the other legendary things he's done. Such as...

- Putting a pop machine in the facilities to charge his own players for drinks
- renting out TVs to his own players in TC
- Willie Anderson having to shell out for towels that actually fit the linemen
- refusing to build a practice bubble when literally everyone but him wants one
- flying FA's in on coach tickets
etc etc etc

Then homers wonder why people say Mike values money over winning.

(11-21-2016, 02:26 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: The team is 3-6-1 following a 12-4 season, and the man is having meetings to discuss hot dogs. This should just be added to the other legendary things he's done. Such as...

- Putting a pop machine in the facilities to charge his own players for drinks
- renting out TVs to his own players in TC
- Willie Anderson having to shell out for towels that actually fit the linemen
- refusing to build a practice bubble when literally everyone but him wants one
- flying FA's in on coach tickets
etc etc etc

Then homers wonder why people say Mike values money over winning.

(11-21-2016, 10:41 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: A good friend of mine works for the Bengals. Im not going to mention a name or exactly what he/she does because I respect their privacy and I don't want them to get in trouble in case there is a minuscule chance someone from the Bengals organization actually reads these boards.

Anyway, I met up with my friend (lets just call him/her Doug Pelfrey) Friday night. Doug told me he was in a meeting with some of the upper management, vendor managers, and game day managers on Friday during the day. One of the main topics of the meeting was how "Mr. Brown" was upset that some of the vendors were getting free food during the day of Bengals games.

If you don't know, the Bengals outsource their security to other companies. Apparently some of the security staff were hungry from working the job all day and decided to stop by the concessions to get a hot dog. My friend told me that the Bengals throw out literally "hundreds" or food items after each game. That being said, some of the vendor managers got a lashing because they were supplying free food items to the security guards.

Here is the kicker: the total amount of free food given away to these guards was 15 hot dogs. 15 FREAKING HOT DOGS!

I can understand if "Mr. Brown" was upset if there were a bunch of security guards getting free food every game and there were hundreds or thousands of dollars being lost due to this.....but 15 hot dogs! I mean that is just comical.

It just made me realize that nothing has changed with our cheap ass owner. Sure, we have had a good team over the years, but this is still the same guy we had in the 90s.

(11-21-2016, 02:41 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: you don't make money but letting it get away.

I understand the whole they just throw it away mentality but they also weigh the food waste and get writeoffs for it in some fashion. 

This is a Who the F cares story...  Mike B is running a business.   Do security guards at other jobs get free lunches? or do they have to go buy their own lunch on break?

(11-21-2016, 03:09 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: Dude, its about as petty as it gets. 

He is seriously having a meeting about FIFTEEN hot dogs being ripped off and given to security guards. FIFTEEN. 

(11-21-2016, 02:41 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: you don't make money but letting it get away.

I understand the whole they just throw it away mentality but they also weigh the food waste and get writeoffs for it in some fashion. 

This is a Who the F cares story...  Mike B is running a business.   Do security guards at other jobs get free lunches? or do they have to go buy their own lunch on break?

(11-21-2016, 03:50 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I think the bigger issue is how many other owners micromanage the vending operations of their stadium?

You have to delegate and put other people in charge of that stuff. You can't be an expert in every aspect of a business.

I doubt that Robert Kraft is running the vending operations at Foxborough.

(11-21-2016, 04:00 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Here is typical Bengals. In 2012 the Bengals were projected to be $44-49 million under the salary cap, and Bengals.com did a PR spin article attempting to link the Bengals strategy to that of the Steelers and Patriots. It also talked about how signing free agents since modern free agency was instituted in 1992 is a roll of the dice.

Funny since that time in 1992...we've won exactly 0 playoff games.

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(11-21-2016, 04:04 PM)Au165 Wrote: Your going back 5 years....... let it go. We are currently sitting just 6 million under the cap right now, and were only 8 million under last year. They did exactly what they said they wanted to, they drafted then resigned their own guys. Unfortunately when you miss on a couple drafts you start to see it fall apart. The Packers are going through something similar right now, you could actually say the same thing for the Steelers. It's a good philosiphy, but you can't miss multiple years in a row like we have recently.

Recently the only thing I fault the organization as a whole for is hanging on to Marvin too long. I get it because he saved the franchise, but they let loyalty trump the urgency to win.

(11-21-2016, 04:11 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Well perhaps if they would have spent money over that past 5 years and brought in...say a Center...they would have won a playoff game.

(11-21-2016, 04:12 PM)Au165 Wrote: That goes back to them retaining the coach. They let Marvin call the shots and he was wrong. That is why I say the single thing they messed up was not getting rid of Marvin a couple years ago. What they controlled, paying their guys when asked to, they did or attempted to. Replacing players was Marvin's call and he failed at that.

(11-21-2016, 04:15 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: How do you know it was Marvin's call? So you're blaming the poor drafting on him solely?

That's why teams have a GM.

(11-21-2016, 04:16 PM)Millhouse Wrote: I get what everyone is saying, as I am not a MB fan at all. And I have heard all the stories from years past.

But to be a little bit fair here, I wonder what owners like Jerry Jones and Robert Kraft do for the workers at their stadiums. Do they give them a ticket for a free drink and hot dog or food for example? Or something like that? I know if I was an owner, I would do something like that for all stadium employees on gameday.

(11-21-2016, 11:16 AM)Au165 Wrote: This actually doesn't bother me. This is an issue that occurs often in the food service industry and the principal is simple, it's stealing to give product away even if it may end up in the trash at the end of the day. If you let them give them to security then should the vendors be able to eat for free? What about the field crew? Can you give them to the janitorial staff? What about vendors friends? If it wasn't in the negotiated contract with the private security company to eat for free then they shouldn't have been fed.

You can knock him for a lot of things, but if one of the vendors did this working for a normal fast food restaurant they'd probably be fired or reprimanded for it.

(11-21-2016, 05:07 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: How about you give them away to anyone who wants them? People that worked the game that is.  You're not devaluing the product to potential customers, nor are you losing sales.  If they're going to get thrown away what it does it matter?

The team is worth a billion dollars, how about you don't concern yourself with $1.75 worth of hot dogs that were hitting the trash regardless.  You ought to be supplying those workers with a free lunch regardless.