(12-03-2016, 02:30 PM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: Mike Florio is a Steelers toad.  Let's just put that out there for starters.  He doesn't want the Bengals to win -- but not everyone named Florio is a Bengal hater.

Here's my thinking:  The "other" Florio -- Mike -- wants the Bengals to be good enough to beat the Browns and the Ravens -- but not the Steelers -- thereby making Pittsburgh's job winning the AFC North and in the playoffs easier.  Yes, Marvin Lewis is light years better than anyone Cincinnati has had at head coach since the days of Sam Wyche but unfortunately Marvin is no Sam Wyche.  If I was the owner of a bad team like Jacksonville or San Francisco -- or Purdue -- I would be wining and dining Marvin as often as I could.  He's the perfect coach to take a team from suck to success. However...

...Marvin Lewis is not a championship caliber head coach.  There; I said it!  Mike Brown and Katie Blackburn need to get their intelligent minds around this fact and internalize it because the Bengals aren't going to go anywhere in the post-season while Marvin is on the sideline. I take no pleasure in writing that because I truly like Marvin.  It's time to move on here in Bengaldom; the 
Front Office whiffed badly on not retaining Mike Zimmer and if Tom Coughlin wanted a second chance I think the Front Office needs to entertain this possibility.
I'll end with this thought:  Promoting from within the organization will not work.  The Cincinnati coaching staff needs fresh blood with an outsider's perspective on the team who has no preconceived notions as to what this team is all about.  Having a head coach who pees sulfuric acid and poops napalm would be a nice bonus too!

(12-03-2016, 01:12 PM)J24 Wrote: Marvin is well respected around the league this might come as surprise to many  because everyone on the message board thinks he is the worst coach ever. Also it might make people uncomfortable but who is going to want to coach here knowing what Mikes reputation is in the NFL? Marvin might be the best coach possible for the Bengals knowing that the best coaching candidates around the league probably won't want to come here.
With that being said this organization needs to a major shakeup and a new direction hopefully Mike will allow that to happen and help the Bengal move forward and not backwards.

(12-03-2016, 01:12 PM)J24 Wrote: Marvin is well respected around the league....

(12-01-2016, 06:02 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: I came across an article from PFT today, written by Florio, that struck me as interesting because it makes a couple points in it that have been talked about and debated going back to the old board:

'And before Bengals fans begin to clamor for change just for the sake of change, consider how bad the team in the 12 years before Lewis arrived.'

'Brown has tolerated much worse for much longer, and there’s no guarantee that he’ll find someone else as good or better than Lewis.'

How many times have we seen some version of these since the end of the 2013 season? While I agree with the overall article that Marvin will most likely be back next year, I continue to have an issue with the logic in the two sentences I quoted.

The 'change for the sake of change' statement has lost it's shelf life at this point. After 14 years, going 0-7 in the postseason and struggling mightily this year...it's not as though making a change would be a knee jerk reaction or whimsical decision to appease the fans. It wouldn't be change for the sake of change, it would be change in hope of achieving a new end result. 

Then he makes the points (often mentioned on the boards) about how the next HC might not be as good...and how bad the Bengals were before Marvin, which sometimes invokes the 'it could always be worse' or 'I don't wanna go back to the 90's' arguments in favor of keeping Marvin. My point on this has always been that there are no guarantees either way. Yeah, the next HC could end up being a disaster...or he might be the missing ingredient that takes the team to another level of success. At some point, a change has to be made, even if there's some risk associated with it.

I thought a statement made by Marvin to Paul Dehner was interesting...

'Everybody understands the object of the game is to win games. That’s our responsibility to pull it out of the players. It’s our responsibility to pull it out of the players as much as we can. When it’s not there then we have to get a new player.'

I would say to that...if the HC is getting the desired results, then maybe we have to get a new HC.

(12-03-2016, 05:27 PM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: An agreeable, amiable, jovial, and kind loser isn't respected.  He's laughed at behind closed doors around the league.

(12-01-2016, 06:21 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: Yep, Marvin is 8-21 against the Steelers (counting PO's) and 2-13 at home. 

Quote:Sometimes a team, even a great one, needs a change of scenery.

Quote:Sometimes change for the sake of change is the way to go.

(12-05-2016, 05:55 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Here's a surprisingly related article, but it's about McCarthy being on the hot seat.
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/mike-mccarthy-green-bay-packers-hot-seat-fired-101716

In this article, the author says a couple things that really stick out and were brought up in this thread regarding Marvin Lewis and the Bengals...


For the record, I would LOVE to have McCarthy as the HC for this team, especially if he also was calling plays. Even if he struggled the first year or two, I'd be energized for this team again. Unfortunately, I doubt the Packers move on from McCarthy and/or the Bengals move on from Lewis.

(12-02-2016, 01:36 PM)Wyche Wrote: Where is he holding them accountable?  Nugent is still here, and underperformers are still on the field.  Talk is cheap.