(12-06-2016, 08:22 PM)bengalguy71 Wrote: That's it???  That's all you got????

(12-06-2016, 09:21 PM)Marlon23 Wrote:

(12-06-2016, 07:13 PM)bengalguy71 Wrote: See here's the thing I find amazing.  This statement would apply to ANY QB in the league, and I'm going to even throw Brady in there after what I've seen from the Pat organization when Brady ISN'T playing.

There is a mega thread for the anti-Dalton folk, but it's only been 5 years for him.  I think the Bengals would have had the first seed last year had he not broke his thumb.

You also can't pin the playoff game the year before that, against the Colts, when there were injuries out the wazoo on offense.

Besides that, last year's playoff game had nothing to do with the QB as A.J. McCarron wasn't even on the field during the implosion!!

The Bengals Lombardi woes start and end with Mike Brown.

Not every rookie QB gets to step into a 'dream team' scenario like Russell Wilson and Zak Prescott did, with a kick butt team already in place.

Finally, I said it many times before, and I'll say it again, winning playoff games might get players a little extra cash, but outside of that, they mean absolutely nothing, UNLESS you win the last playoff game in that particular season.

Just ask Kenny Anderson, Boomer Esiason, Dan Marino, Andrew Luck, Cam Newton, Philip Rivers, Jay Cutler, Matt Ryan, and Carson Palmer to name a few.

(12-06-2016, 02:02 PM)bengals67 Wrote: same question about why Bodine has not been replaced after 3 years of being a below average center.

(12-06-2016, 02:48 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: you expect 1st rounders to play well... they keep hoping  he kept failing...

OB better start playing as expected or he will be inside @ guard or out of the league before too long.    (right now hes not even playing as well as you expect a recently activated practice squader to play)

(12-07-2016, 01:32 AM)Go Cards Wrote: Absolutely correct and hopefully that is rectified after this year.

(12-07-2016, 12:49 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Yes he was. The implosion started with Hill's fumble.

(12-06-2016, 10:04 PM)bengalguy71 Wrote: Let's see, they've had 4 HCs and 7 QBs that made the playoffs; HCs - Paul Brown, Forest Gregg, Sam Wyche, and Marvin Lewis.  QBs - Virgil Carter, Sam Wyche, Kenny Anderson, Boomer Esaison, Carson Palmer, and Andy Dalton, and A. J. McCarron.

Four QBs and 3 HCs under the ownership of Paul Brown, 12 playoff games, 5 wins, 7 losses, including 2 SB losers.

Two QBs and 1 HC under the ownership of Mike Brown, 7 playoff games, 0 wins, 7 losses.

Seems to me the only common denominator has been the father and son ownership!

(12-07-2016, 11:05 AM)Marlon23 Wrote:

(12-07-2016, 11:14 AM)Wyche Wrote: Not really a dead horse.....we're still suffering the lingering effects of a Son of Paul ran franchise.  No accountability from the top (see Piano Man here for nearly a quarter century), nepotism, small scouting department, coaches having to scout (which is why I think we are so shitty on the big stage, we are "outscouted"....ever notice it seems like the opponents are in our huddle), I mean, I could go on.....

(12-07-2016, 11:14 AM)Wyche Wrote: Not really a dead horse.....we're still suffering the lingering effects of a Son of Paul ran franchise.  No accountability from the top (see Piano Man here for nearly a quarter century), nepotism, small scouting department, coaches having to scout (which is why I think we are so shitty on the big stage, we are "outscouted"....ever notice it seems like the opponents are in our huddle), I mean, I could go on.....

(12-07-2016, 11:48 AM)bengalguy71 Wrote: Nail on the head again Wyche! So many like Marlon who you would think the Bengals franchise is like that Pats. Winning division, playoff games, and intermittent Super Bowls year after year and all of the sudden Dalton shows up and they hit a playoff drought!

I think mods should start moving any and every Dalton thread, good or bad, to mega thread and let them fight amongst themselves!

(12-07-2016, 11:42 AM)Marlon23 Wrote: Please do!  Go On.

(12-07-2016, 12:27 PM)Wyche Wrote: For starters, let me ask you a few questions.  If you owned a NFL team, and your HC was 0-7 in the playoffs after 14 years on the job and essentially 2 different rosters in that time frame, would you retain him?  Beyond that, if you were the GM, and you hadn't won a playoff game since GW Bush was in office, would you look outside for help?  If numerous players had demanded trades over the years due to your incompetence, wouldn't you take a step back and re-evaluate your methods?  Speaking of that HC....why wasn't he allowed to pick his own staff when he got here?  If you had a guy that was a part of what was once the worst decade winning percentage in all of professional sports history (thanks Detroit Lions), would he still be on your staff some 15 years later?  Wouldn't you build a practice bubble to ensure good practices in November/December, unaffected by any weather throughout the year to give your guys the best shot at winning?

Son of Paul has a much bigger effect on things than most fans are willing to look into.  This is just the tip of the iceberg.....

(12-07-2016, 01:51 AM)J24 Wrote: Andy has always been  capable of winning a Superbowl the problem has been especially in big games is that the team puts to much on Andy and thus he struggles. With a  very good defense, a solid offensive line, solid running game, and a great WR core he can win a title.

(12-07-2016, 01:15 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Don't even think he needs a "great" receiving core. Just really good like any other QB would need. Again though...what QB wouldn't need a really good team to win a chip?

Even Brady needs very good defense, an all-world TE, underrated WRs, underrated running and solid blocking. Not to mention the GOAT coach. It's time for people (not you) to realize that Dalton doesn't suck just because he needs a good team and coaching to win a chip. They all do.