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RE: Learning from New England - fredtoast - 02-04-2017
(02-02-2017, 05:00 PM)bengals67 Wrote: You are so on point.
And then after we get 1 yard or no yards on first down we run on second down and get stopped. Andy ( and Carson before him) is then put in 3 and 7 or 8 and higher playing directly into the Steelers zone defense and blitz package.
Actually over the last 5 years when the Bengals had 2nd and 8 or longer against the Steelers they only ran the ball 28% of the time (33 of 116)
(02-02-2017, 05:00 PM)bengals67 Wrote: Anyone who does not understand why this drove Carson crazy and why he wanted out is not paying attention.
Maybe someone else needs to pay attention to what is actually happening
RE: Learning from New England - BengalsRocker - 02-04-2017
They have learned from New England. Keeping continuity by long-term locking up your championship winning head coach... right?
RE: Learning from New England - Derrick - 02-04-2017
(02-04-2017, 05:13 PM)BengalsRocker Wrote: They have learned from New England. Keeping continuity by long-term locking up your championship winning head coach... right?
This must be the right answer!
and the beat goes on...
RE: Learning from New England - jfkbengals - 02-05-2017
(01-30-2017, 06:54 PM)OrlandoBengal Wrote: This is on the topic of "Learning from New England". Did anyone see Chad Johnson on FOX the other day? They asked him about the culture in New England, and if anything surprised him when he first got there.
He said that his first day there they broke down film from the playoff loss that had ended their 2010 season, and that Belichick went off on Brady pointing out the things that he had done wrong. He said that put him on notice that no one in the organization was above being held accountable. That it let him know they "expect great things from everyone". Said it was unlike any meeting he had been in prior. Think that would happen with Marvin?
From a guy who had been thrown out of at least one meeting and sent home to be held accountable, I would say his statement was not entirely true.
Maybe he meant that the ire was focused on someone else?
RE: Learning from New England - rfaulk34 - 02-06-2017
(01-30-2017, 05:29 PM)bengals67 Wrote: Cincy Jungle has a link to stripe hype article explaining what Bengals could learn from the game plan used by the Pats against the Steelers.
It is an excellent article.
The main point - you need to do short passes on first and second down to stay out of third and long against the Steelers zone defense and blitz packages.
How many of us on this board have been saying this for years.
Why does Marvin always run on first and often times second down, gain little if any yards with our awful run blocking against 3-4 defenses, and put Dalton in a third and long against the Steelers.
They also criticize the Bengals for getting a lead and then playing itsafe.
Again- how many people on this board and the old board have banged their heads for years making this same criticism of Marvin.
Honestly, it doesn't matter who says it or how many times they do. As they say, 'a tiger never changes his spots'. Or is it, 'a leopard never changes his stripes'?
Whatever. Marv will continue to fail. His way! For all eternity.
RE: Learning from New England - McC - 02-06-2017
(02-04-2017, 05:13 PM)BengalsRocker Wrote: They have learned from New England. Keeping continuity by long-term locking up your championship winning head coach... right?
Bill is on a whole other planet from Marvin. Seeing Bill operate makes me realize just how far away we are and what little chance we have to ever get there.
RE: Learning from New England - bengals67 - 02-06-2017
(02-04-2017, 04:45 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Actually over the last 5 years when the Bengals had 2nd and 8 or longer against the Steelers they only ran the ball 28% of the time (33 of 116)
Maybe someone else needs to pay attention to what is actually happening
You actually added this up?
Stats can be used to prove any point. How about first and ten or second and 7 or second and six.
Here are some good stats- what is Marvin's record against the Steelers? What is his record against Steelers in games played in Cincinnati.
Steelers are beaten by teams that use the pass to set up the run- not Marv ball.
RE: Learning from New England - ochocincos - 02-06-2017
(02-06-2017, 01:27 PM)bengals67 Wrote: You actually added this up?
Stats can be used to prove any point. How about first and ten or second and 7 or second and six.
Here are some good stats- what is Marvin's record against the Steelers? What is his record against Steelers in games played in Cincinnati.
Steelers are beaten by teams that use the pass to set up the run- not Marv ball.
I would argue the Bengals are more equipped to be a pass-first offense, not run-first. Gio is better used as a pass catcher than primarily a runner. Hill has been lackluster enough to not fear him. The Steelers only have to worry about defending AJ and Eifert. If the Bengals are going to be more of a run oriented team, they need to get better RBs and OL that can keep the defense from getting to those RBs in the backfield constantly.
RE: Learning from New England - Shake n Blake - 02-06-2017
(02-06-2017, 01:44 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I would argue the Bengals are more equipped to be a pass-first offense, not run-first. Gio is better used as a pass catcher than primarily a runner. Hill has been lackluster enough to not fear him. The Steelers only have to worry about defending AJ and Eifert. If the Bengals are going to be more of a run oriented team, they need to get better RBs and OL that can keep the defense from getting to those RBs in the backfield constantly.
Yep. How many times have the Bengals just ran a team over? Especially a good team?
RE: Learning from New England - ochocincos - 02-06-2017
(02-06-2017, 02:42 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Yep. How many times have the Bengals just ran a team over? Especially a good team?
Exactly. I view the Bengals offense similar to the Chiefs offense. You have a good QB that for the most part has good (not great) passing stats, doesn't turn the ball over much, and adds in a bit with his legs. While Maclin isn't AJ Green, Eifert isn't Kelce. But those are the two main receiving threats. The difference between the offenses are that the Chiefs are much more of a successful running team. They have running threats even without Charles. Tyreek Hill adds in that explosion from a WR and RB standpoint that the Bengals don't have. The Chiefs also have a stud defense whereas the Bengals took a step back in 2016.
The Bengals MO this offseason needs to be SPEED. Get at least one offensive weapon that can be a threat to take it to the house on any touch. Prefer both a deep threat WR and a dynamic RB. They also need speed at LB.
RE: Learning from New England - bengalfan74 - 02-06-2017
(02-04-2017, 05:13 PM)BengalsRocker Wrote: They have learned from New England. Keeping continuity by long-term locking up your championship winning head coach... right?
Exactly !
How can the Bengals fail with Marvin at the helm ? Sign him up for couple more seasons I say.
RE: Learning from New England - OrlandoBengal - 02-06-2017
(02-06-2017, 07:36 AM)McC Wrote: Bill is on a whole other planet from Marvin. Seeing Bill operate makes me realize just how far away we are and what little chance we have to ever get there.
I thought of this last night when one of the sideline reporters said that Belichick had started making adjustments in the first quarter, that he knew he couldn't wait until halftime. We have a coach that doesn't even believe these things exist, they are "journalistic jargon"
RE: Learning from New England - Interceptor - 02-06-2017
Get rid of Mikey and Marv and we are already halfway there.
RE: Learning from New England - fredtoast - 02-06-2017
(02-06-2017, 03:27 PM)OrlandoBengal Wrote: I thought of this last night when one of the sideline reporters said that Belichick had started making adjustments in the first quarter, that he knew he couldn't wait until halftime. We have a coach that doesn't even believe these things exist, they are "journalistic jargon"
You realize that both Marvin and Bill think the concept of "halftime adjustments" is a joke
RE: Learning from New England - Wyche'sWarrior - 02-07-2017
(02-06-2017, 04:11 PM)fredtoast Wrote: You realize that both Marvin and Bill think the concept of "halftime adjustments" is a joke
I guess he was joking with Martellus Bennett at halftime then....
RE: Learning from New England - junglefever67 - 02-07-2017
Would like to have been a fly on the wall in the Pats locker room at halftime! Talk about team adjustments! But, like Yogi use to say " It aint over till it's over" Maybe Marvin should have had it taped so he would know how to make halftime adjustments!
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