(02-06-2017, 10:13 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I'm going with Joe Montana, as he never had rules established to protect QBs, from crying about being hit too hard, too much. Folks can bring up the salary cap argument all they want to, but the truth is the teams that Montana played against had the same talent stocking options as the 49ers.

(02-07-2017, 12:57 AM)Joelist Wrote: Don't forget Brady missed an entire season with a blown out knee.

Also, fact is that Montana had a better cast around him most of the time, with several Hall of Famers. Brady has worked with an interchangeable cast of players and succeeded. He does play in a good system, but what is interesting is that it is almost a non-system. The Pats constantly change things up and do different things; what makes them so good is the coaching. They pretty much don't make mistakes. The receivers run the route correctly, the line blocks the right gaps, the blitz pickups work correctly and so on. In essence, there may be an occasional turnover but what they do is EXECUTE their offense correctly virtually all the time.

(02-06-2017, 10:56 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. I guess in response to your OP, there will always be people who question who is the GOAT. 

I just don't think that playing with one coach and staying relatively healthy throughout a career should be considered to Brady's detriment. Yes, passing 40k yards in Montana's era was beastly. Who is to say that passing 60k in this era isn't? Or passing for 50 TDs in a season? Or leading a team to a 16-0 regular season? Or a >2% INT ratio even with all the passing? 


There is really no wrong answer here, but I'll chalk it up to nostalgia factor. Kinda like no matter how good the next Mario Kart game is, the SNES one is still the best. 

(02-07-2017, 02:58 PM)Wyche Wrote: If the Pats fell on their face every time Brady went down, I would say it was definitely all him.  However, they won an AFCCG when Drew Bledsoe had to come off the bench cold, Matt freakin Cassell went 11-5, they went 3-1 this year with Garrapolo and some cat I still can't even name.  I equate it to Urban Meyer's QBs at the college level.....somewhat.

Let's play this scenario:

If Brady comes to Cincy, under Mediocre Marv and His Merry Band of Tenured Bums instead of being drafted by the Pats, does he even win one SB?

By contrast, given the last few rosters in Cincy, what does Belichick do with them?

Objectively speaking, I think we all know the answer to that.

(02-07-2017, 09:50 PM)Awful Llama Wrote: I know, but, damn, it would been hella fun to watch Brady throwing to Chad, Housh, Henry and later on, Green. Would we have gotten a Lombardi?  Maybe not, but we'd have won the division a couple more times and had gotten at least a few playoff wins, and maybe a trip to the SB.  As for BB, somewhere in the multiverse is a Bengals team with BB as its HC.  I'm happy for that Bengal fanbase.  

(02-06-2017, 03:42 PM)Millhouse Wrote: I would say he is the best QB of the modern era (late 90s to today). Montana was the best QB of the 80s to 90s era. Staubach of the 70s era. And Johnny Unitas of the 60s.

(02-10-2017, 05:14 AM)BengalYankee Wrote: Otto Graham is the BEST QB of all time.

7 Championships

Played in 10 straight Championships....

Quote:Above all else, Super Bowl LI put an end to the age-old debate over the best quarterback on Planet Earth.

That title goes to five-time champion Tom Brady of the Patriots, right?

Not according to Joe Montana, the Hall of Fame passer and 49ers legend who nimbly danced around the question during a recent interview.

"I mean, he's obviously having a tremendous career. I think it's just hard to put anyone in that bucket," Montana said of Brady during an appearance on Hallmark Channel's "Home & Family" show, per TMZ.

"Even before he got five, you look back to some of the guys some people don't even know. Sammy Baugh or Otto Graham, I can't remember which one, but one of them won like seven or nine championships -- and so far ahead of their time," Montana said. "It's hard to compare guys from then to now, how they would compare here and we would compare then."

For the record, Baugh led the Redskins to five title games and a pair of championships during a career that stretched from 1937 to 1952. Graham is the wonder Montana pointed to, as the former Browns star guided Cleveland to four championships in the All-America Football Conference and three NFL titles during a raucous 10-year run with the team from 1946 to 1955.

Having won four Super Bowl titles of his own, Montana believes the "greatest quarterback" debate remains alive and well.

"I still can't say that of -- even though people say it and I appreciate it -- I still can't say that of myself because of just what I said," noted Montana. "It's hard."

"At home you're saying that all the time!" joked his wife, Jennifer.

"And don't you forget it," Montana said.

Said Jennifer: "We are reminded constantly."

Not going quietly into the night: Joe Montana.

(02-15-2017, 05:29 PM)Tiger Teeth Wrote: My opinion; he's in the group of about 5 guys to be considered G.O.A.T.  Montana, Marino, Staubach, and Manning would round out that list.  Just off the top of my head.

(02-16-2017, 11:54 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Johnny U, Otto Graham, Slingin Sammy Baugh and Bart Starr also deserve mention, IMO.

(02-17-2017, 08:57 AM)Jpoore Wrote: Peyton Manning is the g.o.a.t.