(02-08-2017, 01:25 PM)milksheikh Wrote: Green played 10 games and Eifert played 8 games.

That's all that needs to be said.

(02-07-2017, 11:33 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Zampese is terrible, but you ignored an awfully big point when you say 9 combined TDs.

That's 9 TDs in essentially 17 games (technically 18, but I think we can agree the last game where AJ did nothing and got hurt instantly for the year isn't really a proper game) out of a possible 32.

That would be 17 TDs if they both played full seasons. Of course asking a full season out of Eifert is pretty much impossible. Heck, Eifert only started 2 games last year. I don't like Kenny Z as OC, and I think the Bengals need another proper receiving weapon, but you pulled out one single stat and then ignored everything else around it.

(02-08-2017, 12:59 PM)ochocincos Wrote: This is worth pointing out...
https://twitter.com/JoeGoodberry/status/819920629931638784



Zampese was very similar to both Jackson and Gruden in their first year as Bengals OC.
It's also worth noting that both Gruden and Jackson improved in nearly every category the following year, which can give hope that Zampese will do the same.

(02-08-2017, 02:43 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: /thread.


Not sure about the other stats, but without even looking it up, I can tell you those sack numbers are all jacked up. Dalton was sacked around 20 times as a rookie, 46 times in 2012, around 25 times in 2014 and 41 times last year. Are they counting some throw aways as sacks?

(02-07-2017, 11:04 PM)Housh Wrote: Either Dalton has to go or the OC. And Dalton is a great QB so it's probably not him. The o line was horrible but it wasn't 9 TDs combined to your top 2 receivers level horrible. The Browns gave up the most sacks and were the worst team in the NFL and got the ball to their top 2 options for 6TDs. Are you telling me Eifert and Green are only 3 TDs better than Terrell Pryor and Gary Barnidge? Also add in the Browns QBs all sucked and we had Dalton. Someone please explain this to me

(02-07-2017, 11:39 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: You may be misreading those stats, as actually Brandon LaFell led the team with 6 TD receptions.  I can't really believe that so many are ready to dismiss him from the team.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/team/stats/_/name/cin/cincinnati-bengals

(02-08-2017, 03:20 PM)grampahol Wrote: Meh..just change the lyrics from Hooray for Hollywood to Hooray for Football .
It doesn't really rhyme very well, but the gist is the same. 
I'm OUTRAGED! Outraged I say.. Our Sunday entertainment isn't as entertaining as we should all demand and anyone not as outraged as me should be deported. 
Yeah, I know the line that football is just entertainment gets old just like rooting for a team that doesn't win when we want them to win gets old.
So you have a few options..
Watch and complain when it doesn't go the way you want,  watch and not complain when it doesn't go the way you want, not watch and complain when it doesn't go the way you want or not watch and don't complain when it doesn't go the way you want.
Of course they could win and you can still complain , but never NEVER EVER not complain. It just wouldn't be any fun that way.  
That's entertainment folks. 

(02-07-2017, 11:04 PM)Housh Wrote: Either Dalton has to go or the OC. And Dalton is a great QB so it's probably not him. The o line was horrible but it wasn't 9 TDs combined to your top 2 receivers level horrible. The Browns gave up the most sacks and were the worst team in the NFL and got the ball to their top 2 options for 6TDs. Are you telling me Eifert and Green are only 3 TDs better than Terrell Pryor and Gary Barnidge? Also add in the Browns QBs all sucked and we had Dalton. Someone please explain this to me

(02-07-2017, 11:39 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: You may be misreading those stats, as actually Brandon LaFell led the team with 6 TD receptions.  I can't really believe that so many are ready to dismiss him from the team.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/team/stats/_/name/cin/cincinnati-bengals

(02-08-2017, 08:31 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I wasn't overly impressed at all with Zampese. That said, tough to fully judge him when he has to deal with the ineptitude of Paul Alexander and his hand picked pupils, Ogbuehi and Bodine. Add in 16 games worth of missed time from Green and Eifert (they played like 1 game together healthy) and that's a tough hand for a rookie OC. I still think it was a lazy hire, but there are coaches that I'd rather pick on than Zampese.

(02-09-2017, 07:50 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: Lafell was solid, but that is what the QB and that WR are supposed to do:  take advantage of the single coverage afforded by having AJ doubled...ditto Eifert.  That is why I can't fathom that we didn't see more two TE sets with Uzomah and Eifert on the field with AJ and Lafell or AJ and Boyd.  

You see the teams in the Super Bowl not catering to any one guy...they went to the best matchup.  Heck, I bet most people don't even know that Brady's top target was his RB with something like 14 receptions?  Don't force the ball...take what is given by the best matchup.

One thing is for certain....I don't want Sexy on the Pats...

(02-09-2017, 07:50 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Thanks for quoting my post, as it drew to my attention to the fact that I may have misinterpreted the spirit of the OP, upon my first reading of it.  While my response was pointing out that Andy made good use of his WR2, I totally blew past the part about addressing Zampeze's play calling/offensive strategy.  While it's worthless to try to pin the blame on Andy, as his two top targets were out of commission a good part of the season, I also really can't blame the play calling either.  We all know that every football play ever created, is designed to score a touchdown.  So, the implementation of the strategy of when some plays are called, rather than others depends partly on the opposition's typical response, and offensive execution of the called play.  It's no secret that the Bengals OL did not execute very well, thus thwarting chances of success of many plays from the onset. 

My big complaint with Zampeze is why did he not raise holy hell for the OL not executing?  Is not OL a part of the offense, under the charge of the Offensive Coordinator?  My second complaint is why does Paul Alexander get a sub title of "Assistant Head Coach"?  Does this mean that he answers to no one other than Marvin Lewis?  If this is true, why is our coaching structure set up where a position coach isn't held accountable to his coordinator?  Even at that, why is Marvin not shoving his foot knee deep up Alexander's ass?

(02-08-2017, 02:46 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Joe Goodberry made a correction on the sack totals in a response to the one I posted.
https://twitter.com/JoeGoodberry/status/819944146559467520

(02-08-2017, 11:33 AM)Housh Wrote: If I'm a douche for keeping it as real as possible then that's just what it is. I work with drug addicts and stubborn old men so if you(Not literally just you, everyone else as well.) look at my posts and find them douche I'm sorry but that's just who I am. I'm the type of guy who sees someone mess up and would be first to give them a correction before I'd let them slide with an excuse.

Yeah it was Zampese's first year so I understand he needs slack. But there was plenty of stuff he did wrong that he should know seeing as he's such an experience member of the NFL coaching family. His play call variety and game planning away from AJ was flat out HORRIBLE. Lafell stepped up because he was pretty good this year but he also stepped up because Zampese made the dumb gameplan of using Green as a decoy BEFORE first establishing him as a target. Pittsburgh doesn't do that with Brown. Ben and Brown totally expose you until you have to double him and THEN they use him as a decoy.

That'd be like the Cowboys saying they didn't don't run with Elliot because they wanted to use him as a decoy. Ummmm no dumbass, you give the ball to that man as much as possible, and then adjust when the defense keys in on him.  he's a generational talent

(02-09-2017, 07:50 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Thanks for quoting my post, as it drew to my attention to the fact that I may have misinterpreted the spirit of the OP, upon my first reading of it.  While my response was pointing out that Andy made good use of his WR2, I totally blew past the part about addressing Zampeze's play calling/offensive strategy.  While it's worthless to try to pin the blame on Andy, as his two top targets were out of commission a good part of the season, I also really can't blame the play calling either.  We all know that every football play ever created, is designed to score a touchdown.  So, the implementation of the strategy of when some plays are called, rather than others depends partly on the opposition's typical response, and offensive execution of the called play.  It's no secret that the Bengals OL did not execute very well, thus thwarting chances of success of many plays from the onset. 

My big complaint with Zampeze is why did he not raise holy hell for the OL not executing?  Is not OL a part of the offense, under the charge of the Offensive Coordinator?  My second complaint is why does Paul Alexander get a sub title of "Assistant Head Coach"?  Does this mean that he answers to no one other than Marvin Lewis?  If this is true, why is our coaching structure set up where a position coach isn't held accountable to his coordinator?  Even at that, why is Marvin not shoving his foot knee deep up Alexander's ass?