(08-12-2023, 10:22 AM)Soonerpeace Wrote: LMAO you are so funny and have no idea.

(08-13-2023, 12:53 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Can’t name one, huh?

Okay, how about an easier question? Just give the names of the lazy players you were talking about.

(08-08-2023, 08:57 PM)basballguy Wrote: It's hard to argue this without sounding like a hater so I'll say this.....in the moment, I thought ML was great for Bengals culture.  After several years of reflection (post ML), he was part of the problem.  He didn't change the culture, he was just a better coach than we were used to.  the Bengals were still seen as "that team" that nobody wanted to play for.  

I was a huge ZT hater early on but I sincerely think what ZT (and Bengals leadership) have done for the franchise is legit great for the culture.  ML was just a change of pace.  He should've been fired at the same time we dumped CP....which mostly echos your last statement.  



Agree with everything here


I do think I overlook the effect of Katie taking control of the team.  I don't pretend to know what went on between ML and MB.  I know they had a great relationship but I also remember how stubborn MB seemed to be.

(08-13-2023, 01:04 PM)BengalYankee Wrote: Sorry to be Debbie Downer, but I don't trust ZT yet. I think all the glory has to go to Joe Burrow. What is ZT's record without Burrow? Horrible that is what it is.

I will give credit to the Defense as well. 

We found out last year we could win without Chase, but we can't win without Burrow.

ML was handcuffed by Mike Brown, I remember ML stated that Chris Henry was off the team and later had to recant because Mike Brown wanted him on the team.
 

(08-08-2023, 08:57 PM)basballguy Wrote: It's hard to argue this without sounding like a hater so I'll say this.....in the moment, I thought ML was great for Bengals culture.  After several years of reflection (post ML), he was part of the problem.  He didn't change the culture, he was just a better coach than we were used to.  the Bengals were still seen as "that team" that nobody wanted to play for.  

I was a huge ZT hater early on but I sincerely think what ZT (and Bengals leadership) have done for the franchise is legit great for the culture.  ML was just a change of pace.  He should've been fired at the same time we dumped CP....which mostly echos your last statement.  



Agree with everything here


I do think I overlook the effect of Katie taking control of the team. I don't pretend to know what went on between ML and MB. I know they had a great relationship but I also remember how stubborn MB seemed to be.

(08-13-2023, 01:54 PM)NotBigzo Wrote: Katie hired Marvin, not Mike.

(08-13-2023, 01:54 PM)NotBigzo Wrote: Katie hired Marvin, not Mike.

(08-13-2023, 02:49 PM)SouthernFan Wrote: Seriously?  You truly believe that Katie has been running this team for the past 20 years?  GTFOH!

(03-14-2023, 11:48 AM)NotBigzo Wrote: Seriously.

How do we lose TWO starting safeties in day one, especially knowing that we're out of the market for one of them?

"We want to go younger" is just a euphemism for "we want to be cheap skates". Vonn Bell and Bates is what got us to the SB two years ago, LITERALLY. Look at that overtime interception.

If the Bengals decide to pay for one of the remaining good ones, it's STILL a downgrade. But I get a feeling that they're just fine with Tycen Anderson, which will be a disaster against the Bills and the Cheifs.

The Bengals can't afford to have its episodes of buttcheek offense anymore. The Defense won't be top 10 next season.

This feels a like more like a decline. The Bills and Cheifs addressed core issues day one. Bengals objectively are worse off.

(08-13-2023, 04:26 PM)maclanta Wrote: What if our defensive backfield is actually better this year?  How will we wrap our heads around that?


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(08-13-2023, 01:38 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I'm 100% okay with not trusting Taylor yet. I do for the most part, but I get it. That said, using Taylor's record without Burrow is kinda silly. 

Taylor was most definitely part of a rebuild, and the roster was not only full of washed up players, it wasn't shaped to Taylor's vision. It was shaped to Marvin's.

I AM NOT SAYING TAYLOR IS BELICHICK. That said, when distributing credit, I think we can learn from Belichick without Brady.

Belichick is a great coach. The Pats without him right now would probably be competing for the #1 overall pick. With him, they're usually in the 8-8 range. With Brady, they're a SB contender.

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I'd say our roster is better than New England's (Zac has something to do with that), but Zac is a worse X and O guy than Bill. It evens out. If we swapped Joe Burrow for Mac Jones, I still think this is an 8-8 team due to the roster quality and Taylor being a decent coach.

Joe is why this team is competing for Super Bowls, but to suggest that this team would be a 2-4 win team without Joe is giving too much credit to Joe and not enough to the roster and Zac.

(08-13-2023, 05:13 PM)BengalYankee Wrote: Hi Shake,

How are you, friend? I did not say without Burrow ZT would be 2-14 or any below .500 coach.

I did say I did not trust ZT yet and I still don't. I don't think the Bengals team the past two years even gets into the playoffs yet wins the games they did, if ZT does not have Burrow on the squad. 

Reasons why the Bengals got into the playoffs and more were not in any order.

1. Burrow
2. Defense
3. Kicking game via our FG kicker McPherson

Again not in any particular order, however if any of the 3 mentioned above is off we are in trouble. Come to think, I don't ever remember Burrow in a shootout with another team.  That means our defense came to play.

So I liked ML, but his last few years as another member had written he was tired and it was time for a new HC. I wonder how ML would have prevailed with
Burrow as his QB and Katie as his boss?  


 

(08-13-2023, 04:26 PM)maclanta Wrote: What if our defensive backfield is actually better this year? How will we wrap our heads around that?


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(08-13-2023, 07:33 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Not many coaches in the NFL playoff games without elite qbs. And the ones that do, have elite defense/rb combos.

(08-13-2023, 05:13 PM)BengalYankee Wrote: Hi Shake,

How are you, friend? I did not say without Burrow ZT would be 2-14 or any below .500 coach.

I did say I did not trust ZT yet and I still don't. I don't think the Bengals team the past two years even gets into the playoffs yet wins the games they did, if ZT does not have Burrow on the squad. 

Reasons why the Bengals got into the playoffs and more were not in any order.

1. Burrow
2. Defense
3. Kicking game via our FG kicker McPherson

Again not in any particular order, however if any of the 3 mentioned above is off we are in trouble. Come to think, I don't ever remember Burrow in a shootout with another team.  That means our defense came to play.

So I liked ML, but his last few years as another member had written he was tired and it was time for a new HC. I wonder how ML would have prevailed with
Burrow as his QB and Katie as his boss?  

(08-13-2023, 01:04 PM)BengalYankee Wrote: Sorry to be Debbie Downer, but I don't trust ZT yet. I think all the glory has to go to Joe Burrow. What is ZT's record without Burrow? Horrible that is what it is.

I will give credit to the Defense as well. 

We found out last year we could win without Chase, but we can't win without Burrow.

ML was handcuffed by Mike Brown, I remember ML stated that Chris Henry was off the team and later had to recant because Mike Brown wanted him on the team.
 

(08-13-2023, 01:04 PM)BengalYankee Wrote: Sorry to be Debbie Downer, but I don't trust ZT yet. I think all the glory has to go to Joe Burrow. What is ZT's record without Burrow? Horrible that is what it is.

I will give credit to the Defense as well. 

We found out last year we could win without Chase, but we can't win without Burrow.

ML was handcuffed by Mike Brown, I remember ML stated that Chris Henry was off the team and later had to recant because Mike Brown wanted him on the team.
 

(08-13-2023, 12:40 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Wasn’t told the names just in the early transition I was shared this. And my comment was “ coasting”

(08-13-2023, 10:50 PM)sandwedge Wrote: This is a pretty dumb take. How do you know if we didn't have Burrow we wouldn't win? You have anything to back that up? We had a pretty crappy roster Zac's first year. Burrow is a big part of the team, but if he is all we need then why are we going to spend a lot of money on 2 WRs? Zac had a plan for this team and he got to build this team to that plan. I think the results speak for themselves.

(08-13-2023, 10:53 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: now I cant prove it, but I guarantee Marvin Lewis wouldnt have the same success with Burrow that Taylor has had