(09-09-2024, 01:04 PM)TecmoBengals Wrote: If Burton has talent then find a way to get him on the field by simplifying some plays. It can be done. Andy Reid simplified the playbook for the whole offense: https://thesportingtribune.com/how-reids-simplification-helped-get-chiefs-offense-back-on-track

I don't care if a guy like Irwin understands the playbook like Bobby Fischer understood chess. He's not talented enough to be getting significant snaps. Burton was drafted in round 3 for having talent. Find a way to help him play.

(09-09-2024, 01:05 PM)ochocincos Wrote: To be fair, Irwin wouldn't be starting if Higgins played.
Irwin is, by definition, a backup.

I like Irwin as a player who can fill in to finish a game, but he is limited in his athletic ability.

I am not sure of the distribution of snaps, but I would have liked to see maybe:
Iosivas and Burton outside with Chase in the slot
Burton in place of Irwin
Iosivas/Burton outside with Chase, Irwin in the slot

(09-09-2024, 05:57 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Irwin is going to be WR3 in this offense a lot this season. That’s a starter in the personnel Zac likes to run. Yoshi did nothing to solidify the job yesterday, so I assume that 3rd spot will be by committee.

(09-09-2024, 06:40 PM)ochocincos Wrote: If Irwin is used like Boyd, he can be successful.
He does need Higgins and Chase to help take coverage away though (as would most WRs).

Ideally for me, Iosivas or Burton is outside though, not Irwin.
Irwin is a little too pedestrian to be an outside guy, IMO.

(09-09-2024, 06:40 PM)ochocincos Wrote: If Irwin is used like Boyd, he can be successful.
He does need Higgins and Chase to help take coverage away though (as would most WRs).

Ideally for me, Iosivas or Burton is outside though, not Irwin.
Irwin is a little too pedestrian to be an outside guy, IMO.

(09-09-2024, 06:48 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: you are greatly overestimating Irwin, and underestimating Boyd

(09-10-2024, 09:31 AM)ochocincos Wrote: Apologies that you misinterpreted that as Irwin=Boyd.

(09-10-2024, 09:36 AM)TecmoBengals Wrote: I'll assume little to know thought was had before the reply to your post. Your initial post made sense. A player has to be in the WR3/slot role that Boyd used to fill. That can only be done by a player on the existing roster regardless of their talent and abilities compared to previous Bengals WRs filling the role. Your suggestion is Irwin - it totally sucks he's in consideration because the likes of Jones or Iosivas haven't emerged yet as securing the job.

(09-10-2024, 09:38 AM)ochocincos Wrote: Actually my suggestion is not Irwin for the WR3 spot necessarily.
I like the potential of Iosivas and Burton over Irwin.
I was just pointing out what I thought was the best way to utilize Irwin on the field if and when he ends up getting playing time.

(09-09-2024, 10:57 PM)Housh Wrote: Irwin doesn’t have the IQ or feet to get to those spots at the times Boyd got to those spots

I know dude has drops but Boyd was really good here even in his last 2 years. Dude was elite at finding soft spots and becoming a bailout option for Burrow. We don’t have a true slot WR and we underestimated what that meant and how important Boyd was

“I feel like Jermaine Burton has made a tremendous jump on knowing his plays, knowing where he needs to be, knowing what he’s used for, and attention to detail.”

? pic.twitter.com/gTKJo7Db71

— Faux Joey Brrr (@FauxJeaux) September 12, 2024

(09-12-2024, 08:33 PM)puddycat Wrote: The Bengals depend on receivers winning at the catch point more than getting open.  IMO it's a result of historical OL play, play-calling, QB arm strength, and scheme rather than receiver talent.  All of which point to Iosivas and Burton as either big-bodied or contested catch players.

(09-13-2024, 09:36 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Burton is 6 foot tall. 200 lbs. I wouldn't call him big or a contested catch player. He's pretty fast though.

I was thinking about this. Are there any rookies that we've had that have been in the coaches dog house that were benched early in their careers that turned out great?

Likely there was a small amount, but I can't think of any. I know Dillon had issues iirc pass blocking but he still got snaps.

(09-13-2024, 09:36 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Burton is 6 foot tall. 200 lbs. I wouldn't call him big or a contested catch player. He's pretty fast though.

I was thinking about this. Are there any rookies that we've had that have been in the coaches dog house that were benched early in their careers that turned out great?

Likely there was a small amount, but I can't think of any. I know Dillon had issues iirc pass blocking but he still got snaps.

(09-13-2024, 11:34 AM)jj22 Wrote: The hit job on Burton the week before the season started still seemed and still seems odd and weird to me. Who was this coming from and why did it explode the way it did?

(09-09-2024, 05:57 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Irwin is going to be WR3 in this offense a lot this season. That’s a starter in the personnel Zac likes to run. Yoshi did nothing to solidify the job yesterday, so I assume that 3rd spot will be by committee.