(04-03-2021, 12:05 AM)Murdock2420 Wrote: 1.) Keep in mind, there is one thing you can bet on (in NFL scouting) and win every time – whatever WR prospect the NFL deems as ‘the best’, the first (or second) WR taken in drafts…then that/those wide receiver(s) FOR SURE will NOT be the best NFL WRs from that particular draft within 1-3 years of looking back. 

2.) In 2020, Ruggs-Jeudy went #1-2 off the board and that was a monumental mistake. Those guys aren’t even in the top 5-10 among WR talents from that class. That doesn’t mean they stink…just means they are not ‘the best’ or ‘elite’…or worthy of such high draft picks.

(04-03-2021, 07:50 AM)spazz70 Wrote: So, just like the CBs he will be playing against every game in the NFL?  Just saying, the NFL CBs are going to be a lot better.

(04-03-2021, 03:33 AM)Murdock2420 Wrote: Except, he is right when you watch Chase play Florida, see the video above. 

The point of Chase was supposed to be... he creates separation, Burrow needs WRs that can get open. Dude, he's covered and covered well, in more reps then he is open.

Again, the guy writing it is wrong on the measurables, and he seems salty, but after I read it, I watched the video... and it shows a guy that might be good at the next level, but this isn't some super special, generational, never before seen talent that everyone on here is claiming.

(04-03-2021, 04:19 PM)Joelist Wrote: How about we stop tearing each other (and other players) down for a bit?

(04-03-2021, 01:45 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: Man, that term 'generational talent' is getting thrown around so much anymore, by so many people. 

Sewell will most likely be a terrific lineman for many years. Chase will probably be a terrific WR for many years. However, I doubt either will turn out to be 'generational'. 

That term should be reserved for talents like Jim Brown, Anthony Munoz, Jerry Rice, Reggie White, etc. Those guys were generational talents because they played at an insanely high level for a long period of time. Like I said, I expect Sewell and Chase to be outstanding players...but generational talents? Not so much.

(04-03-2021, 01:45 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: Man, that term 'generational talent' is getting thrown around so much anymore, by so many people. 

Sewell will most likely be a terrific lineman for many years. Chase will probably be a terrific WR for many years. However, I doubt either will turn out to be 'generational'. 

That term should be reserved for talents like Jim Brown, Anthony Munoz, Jerry Rice, Reggie White, etc. Those guys were generational talents because they played at an insanely high level for a long period of time. Like I said, I expect Sewell and Chase to be outstanding players...but generational talents? Not so much.

(04-03-2021, 04:19 PM)Joelist Wrote: How about we stop tearing each other (and other players) down for a bit?

The POV of the Sewell crowd IS valid - Sewell is the consensus #1 rated Tackle in this draft and the OL was (for at least part of last season) epically bad.

On the other hand, the POV of the Chase crowd is ALSO valid. Chase is an out and out playmaker. And in our offense it would let us run out a 3 WR (which is our base) set of Higgins, Chase and Boyd. This is pretty radically different than what we usually have which is 1 or 2 sound receivers and then scrubs. This is also the logic with the Pitts advocates; the difference there was until we signed Reiff it would be hard for a TE for us to go out and catch passes.

Sewell, Chase, Pitts....we're going to get a high end prospect no matter who we end up with.

I guess the big factor is what you think the "state of the OL" is right now. To me, we are definitely in a better spot than we were a lot of last season. Reiff is a huge upgrade over Hart. And the actual stats (not PFF synthetic ratings the actual stats) showed that once we had Spain and XSF at the Guard spots the interior line issues largely stopped. Add in that Turner is gone and Pollack is in and the prognosis is better.

So, if to you the line prognosis is sufficiently good then players like Pitts and Chase enter the picture. If not, then it would be either Sewell or (if it were me) trade back with, say, the Pats and still be positioned well to get Vera Tucker.

(04-03-2021, 06:02 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Pitts fits this definition much more IMO.

6'6" 250 pound TE/WR that can run a 4.44 forty that runs crisp routes and has great hands...

Calvin Johnsonesque but bigger and faster.

If there is a generational talent in this Draft Kyle Pitts is that guy.


Well said, anyway we go we can't really mess it up. We are in a great spot and even a greater spot after the Dolphins trade.

Vera-Tucker would also be more than fine with me in a trade back, as would be Slater or Darrisaw.

Don't get why some have to be so pissy round here. We all agree O-line needs upgraded and the Draft is deep at OT and also 
has some good interior Lineman that can be had in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. We are in a great spot at the right time to improve
our biggest weaknesses.

(04-03-2021, 09:42 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: I remember OJ Howard being a "generational" TE too.

(04-03-2021, 09:42 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: I remember OJ Howard being a "generational" TE too.

(04-03-2021, 11:43 PM)BobJohnson55 Wrote: I don't remember people saying he was elite

(04-04-2021, 12:31 AM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: I don't remember that at all. 

OJ Howard was drafted 19th, so I'm not sure why that word would get used on a player that's not even taken in the top half of the round.  Not to mention, he's slower than Pitts, he has lower verticle leap, and his wingspan and hands are smaller.  Oh yeah, and he was a year older and was coming off a 595 yard, 3 TD Sr. Season.

(04-04-2021, 12:32 AM)Brownshoe Wrote: http://insidethepylon.com/nfl/2017-nfl-draft/2017/04/11/37878/

https://amp.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article146704184.html

https://www.thefantasyauthority.com/redraft/oj-howard-vs-david-njoku/
"Howard, to me, is one of the best prospects ever at tight end. He can start and produce right away and is the total package."

(04-04-2021, 02:15 AM)BobJohnson55 Wrote: So a couple articles got written that he was? Like they do every year of the top guys. I dont remember fans claiming he was generational talent that needs to be taken with the 5th pick. 

(04-03-2021, 06:02 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Pitts fits this definition much more IMO.

6'6" 250 pound TE/WR that can run a 4.44 forty that runs crisp routes and has great hands...

Calvin Johnsonesque but bigger and faster.

If there is a generational talent in this Draft Kyle Pitts is that guy.


Well said, anyway we go we can't really mess it up. We are in a great spot and even a greater spot after the Dolphins trade.

Vera-Tucker would also be more than fine with me in a trade back, as would be Slater or Darrisaw.

Don't get why some have to be so pissy round here. We all agree O-line needs upgraded and the Draft is deep at OT and also 
has some good interior Lineman that can be had in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. We are in a great spot at the right time to improve
our biggest weaknesses.

(04-04-2021, 05:02 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: There was definitely talk of him at 9 before we took mega stud John Ross.

(04-03-2021, 01:45 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: Man, that term 'generational talent' is getting thrown around so much anymore, by so many people. 

Sewell will most likely be a terrific lineman for many years. Chase will probably be a terrific WR for many years. However, I doubt either will turn out to be 'generational'. 

That term should be reserved for talents like Jim Brown, Anthony Munoz, Jerry Rice, Reggie White, etc. Those guys were generational talents because they played at an insanely high level for a long period of time. Like I said, I expect Sewell and Chase to be outstanding players...but generational talents? Not so much.

(04-04-2021, 02:13 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: While I certainly agree with the thrust of what you are saying, I want to say this on Sewell. He is more than the run of the mill top OT prospect.

The kid is 20. He sat out last year. The year BEFORE that he won the Outland Trophy. First true sophmore ever to win it. Ever. The season he did so, he was 19 years old. 18 until October. Half the year. If he had not sat out, it is certainly possible (even likely) we'd be looking at a 2-time Outland winner. Which I will remind folks, is given to the best lineman in the country. Offensive OR defensive. The only other 2 time winner? Dave Remington, Nebraska. 

And for those focused on measurables, remember, the kid is 20. Turns 21 in October. He could still be growing. Even if not, he'll still fill out more.

I think those salivating over Chase and/or Pitts is understandable. For my money, Pitts is a generational TE prospect as a pass catcher. Period. And Chase is electric and has a history with Burrow. We need to both improve the OL & get speedy receivers.

But Sewell has accomplished things that true sophmore lineman have never before accomplished. And his is still a baby. Rather than giving Pollack lemons and asking him to make lemonade (which he can do), give him a gem and see what happens.

Am I gonna be frothing at the mouth if we take Chase or Pitts or trade down & pick Slater/Waddle/Smith or even Parsons? No. 

(04-04-2021, 02:13 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: While I certainly agree with the thrust of what you are saying, I want to say this on Sewell. He is more than the run of the mill top OT prospect.

The kid is 20. He sat out last year. The year BEFORE that he won the Outland Trophy. First true sophmore ever to win it. Ever. The season he did so, he was 19 years old. 18 until October. Half the year. If he had not sat out, it is certainly possible (even likely) we'd be looking at a 2-time Outland winner. Which I will remind folks, is given to the best lineman in the country. Offensive OR defensive. The only other 2 time winner? Dave Remington, Nebraska. 

And for those focused on measurables, remember, the kid is 20. Turns 21 in October. He could still be growing. Even if not, he'll still fill out more.

I think those salivating over Chase and/or Pitts is understandable. For my money, Pitts is a generational TE prospect as a pass catcher. Period. And Chase is electric and has a history with Burrow. We need to both improve the OL & get speedy receivers.

But Sewell has accomplished things that true sophmore lineman have never before accomplished. And his is still a baby. Rather than giving Pollack lemons and asking him to make lemonade (which he can do), give him a gem and see what happens.

Am I gonna be frothing at the mouth if we take Chase or Pitts or trade down & pick Slater/Waddle/Smith or even Parsons? No.