(04-04-2021, 05:02 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: There was definitely talk of him at 9 before we took mega stud John Ross.

(04-04-2021, 04:07 PM)jason Wrote: It may not be to everyone's liking but the O line has been addressed at least somewhat. You can't say the same for the receivers.

(04-04-2021, 05:26 PM)fredtoast Wrote: It may not be to everyone's liking but we already had some very good talent at WR.  You can't say the same for the O-line.

(04-04-2021, 05:55 PM)Gdale_Bengal Wrote: You’re right about the line, but there’s only 2 receivers that are any good one is a 2nd year receiver. Both groups need talent

(04-04-2021, 05:26 PM)fredtoast Wrote: It may not be to everyone's liking but we already had some very good talent at WR.  You can't say the same for the O-line.

(04-04-2021, 06:36 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: I think the real issue is this team is so void of talent in so many places we actually need, Pitts, Chase and Sewell.

All 3 drastically improve their position group. Just can't get all 3.

(04-04-2021, 06:43 PM)jason Wrote: This....

(04-04-2021, 07:11 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: We do this every year recently. 

And two years in a row I've let myself get sucked into the arguing about things that are pointless. Last year the argument was, can't trade back, Burrow is one of a kind and best in 10 years and blah, blah, blah... He's good, but so is Herbert. So, drafting Burrow turned out okay, and trading back would have turned out okay, hard to judge since you don't know who else gets drafted. But what we should have learned is that we over-sell prospects around here.

This year we again go round and around over 3 guys that are needs but not anyone of the 3 comes in and suddenly makes us a playoff team.

The years under Marvin of winning really spoiled the fans, because we were usually picking later in the 1st round and we weren't so terrible at some many spots.

I think at this point the amount of animosity on the board and the back and forth is just due to everyone wanting the same thing, the team to actually win games. Everyone has valid points on what would help the team win, problem being we need all 3 and then some in terms of solutions.

We need an explosive playmaker that can get deep on a defense and stretch the field.

We need a match-up nightmare that makes our red-zone offense dangerous.

We need a true elite prospect on the line that can be the anchor for years.

We also need... another good Edge rusher to rotate in and another good guy on the interior defensive line to help get push up the middle, and we really don't know if our LBs will develop into guys that can cover/stop the run.

Oh... and we need coaching upgrades.

There is zero point anymore in debating who should be picked. If it's Chase, we fixed a hole. If it's Pitts we fixed a hole, if it's Sewell we fixed a hole. Come 2022, we can look to add an elite guy at the remaining holes.

Meanwhile, how about those Reds?

(04-04-2021, 07:51 PM)Gdale_Bengal Wrote: Reds won the series against a division rival. Awesome.

That’s why I’ll argue both for and against the big 3. They all do something the bengals desperately need. I almost wish the big 3 would get drafted so a team more desperate for a QBs will give the bengals the farm to get one of them. That’s not going to happen, but maybe they can trade a few picks down and still get one of them. They improve a bad position group regardless and still bpa

(04-04-2021, 07:56 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: Nick Castellanos made himself a folk hero in town with that series performance.


There is certainly a great deal to be said for trading down.

Jax - Lawrence
Jets - Zach Wilson
San Fran - Lance or Fields
Atlanta - Pitts

This leaves Fields or Lance as the last of the big 4 QBs in the draft. Might really get some good offers from Denver to jump Carolina or Carolina to avoid Denver jumping them.

Certainly would be interesting to see what is there at say 8 or 9 especially if we snag an extra 2nd for the move down.

(04-04-2021, 07:58 PM)coachmcneil71 Wrote: SF- Mac Jones

(04-04-2021, 07:56 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: Nick Castellanos made himself a folk hero in town with that series performance.


There is certainly a great deal to be said for trading down.

Jax - Lawrence
Jets - Zach Wilson
San Fran - Lance or Fields
Atlanta - Pitts

This leaves Fields or Lance as the last of the big 4 QBs in the draft. Might really get some good offers from Denver to jump Carolina or Carolina to avoid Denver jumping them.

Certainly would be interesting to see what is there at say 8 or 9 especially if we snag an extra 2nd for the move down.

(04-04-2021, 04:07 PM)jason Wrote: Has anyone mentioned that Carson Palmer got hurt behind an excellent O line?

Shit happens... I'll be cool if we draft Sewell, but we're far from set offensively. We have no identity, and there is no explosive potential. Nobody on the offensive side of the ball keeps opposing DCs up at night... We've put Burrow on some pedestal, and act like he can just carry this team. He can't. I kept hearing that Burrow can "throw WRs open". Looks a lot easier when those WRs are Jefferson and Chase at the collegiate level.

It may not be to everyone's liking but the O line has been addressed at least somewhat. You can't say the same for the receivers. I keep hearing that we just need a solid number 3 to get us about 600 yards... I think it'd be better if that solid number 3 was the very solid Tyler Boyd.

I'm cool with any of the 3 guys we've decided are most likely to end up here, but I really think Chase is the way to go.

(04-04-2021, 08:07 PM)CarolinaBengalFanGuy Wrote: That was a late hit though

(04-04-2021, 08:02 PM)Gdale_Bengal Wrote: You can’t leave out Mac Jones either.

(04-04-2021, 07:11 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: We do this every year recently. 

And two years in a row I've let myself get sucked into the arguing about things that are pointless. Last year the argument was, can't trade back, Burrow is one of a kind and best in 10 years and blah, blah, blah... He's good, but so is Herbert. So, drafting Burrow turned out okay, and trading back would have turned out okay, hard to judge since you don't know who else gets drafted. But what we should have learned is that we over-sell prospects around here.

This year we again go round and around over 3 guys that are needs but not anyone of the 3 comes in and suddenly makes us a playoff team.

The years under Marvin of winning really spoiled the fans, because we were usually picking later in the 1st round and we weren't so terrible at some many spots.

I think at this point the amount of animosity on the board and the back and forth is just due to everyone wanting the same thing, the team to actually win games. Everyone has valid points on what would help the team win, problem being we need all 3 and then some in terms of solutions.

We need an explosive playmaker that can get deep on a defense and stretch the field.

We need a match-up nightmare that makes our red-zone offense dangerous.

We need a true elite prospect on the line that can be the anchor for years.

We also need... another good Edge rusher to rotate in and another good guy on the interior defensive line to help get push up the middle, and we really don't know if our LBs will develop into guys that can cover/stop the run.

Oh... and we need coaching upgrades.

There is zero point anymore in debating who should be picked. If it's Chase, we fixed a hole. If it's Pitts we fixed a hole, if it's Sewell we fixed a hole. Come 2022, we can look to add an elite guy at the remaining holes.

Meanwhile, how about those Reds?

(04-04-2021, 04:07 PM)jason Wrote: Has anyone mentioned that Carson Palmer got hurt behind an excellent O line?

Shit happens... I'll be cool if we draft Sewell, but we're far from set offensively. We have no identity, and there is no explosive potential. Nobody on the offensive side of the ball keeps opposing DCs up at night... We've put Burrow on some pedestal, and act like he can just carry this team. He can't. I kept hearing that Burrow can "throw WRs open". Looks a lot easier when those WRs are Jefferson and Chase at the collegiate level.

It may not be to everyone's liking but the O line has been addressed at least somewhat. You can't say the same for the receivers. I keep hearing that we just need a solid number 3 to get us about 600 yards... I think it'd be better if that solid number 3 was the very solid Tyler Boyd.

I'm cool with any of the 3 guys we've decided are most likely to end up here, but I really think Chase is the way to go.

(04-04-2021, 08:24 PM)Whatever Wrote: Brady also had a similar injury in '08.