(12-17-2018, 10:38 PM)wolverine515151 Wrote:  Who cares about his qb rating on deep balls. YOU CAN'T USE QB RATING FOR DEEP BALLS. It isn't accurate.

You can throw a deep ball 50 yards for a TD and get a 158 rating. Another 50 yard deep ball at the one yard line gives you a 118 rating. The difference that each throw produces is 0.3 points yet there's a huge difference in qb rating of 40 points. 

Do you understand the logic of that because if you don't just lurk back to your cave. 

Dalton threw 3 for 16 2 Td and had a qb rating of 105. 3 for 16 is terrible on deep throws. It scored high because a couple of those were TD's

(12-17-2018, 09:21 PM)wolverine515151 Wrote: You have to be joking. Green makes the most circus catches in the league. Some of those deep throws are way off target and he catches them. 

Look at how Dalton can't complete a deep ball to Ross. That's because Ross can't make those circus catches on deep balls.  Watch the games instead of  convincing yourself Dalton's deep balls are the best you've ever seen. 

You don't even listen. Just be gone.  I said Driskel, plus a free agent qb, a first round qb, a good right tackle, and a good linebacker is better than Dalton.

These Bengals boards should have more honest fans and not Dalton's family members in here defending him. 

(12-17-2018, 10:47 PM)Synric Wrote: That's why he was 10 on the PFF list even though his rating was higher.

What's his numbers outside that one 2017 season? 

And 3 for 16? Dalton only threw 16 balls over 20 yards in 2017? PFF says he threw 56 balls over 20 yards.

(12-17-2018, 11:11 PM)wolverine515151 Wrote: What the **** are you talking about. I showed his rankings against the starting qb's every year. How the **** is that not stats.  He ranked above average once in 8 years. 

I said by going with another qb like Driskels you could save 16 million get a free agent qb like Bradford, a right tackle and linebacker. Then draft a good qb.

Objective stats. no chance. You and the other trolls have cherry picked your stats by using only active qb's over 750 throws. Keep living the fiction about Dalton being top 10. He isn't so get the **** over it. 

(12-17-2018, 10:07 PM)wolverine515151 Wrote: By watching the games as evidence. Here's evidence for the past two years he is below average on deep balls. He's ranked 23. 

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2018/deep-ball-project

(12-17-2018, 09:21 PM)wolverine515151 Wrote: You have to be joking. Green makes the most circus catches in the league.

(12-17-2018, 11:39 PM)fredtoast Wrote: This formula is ridiculous.

If a QB throws an accurate pass then what difference does it make it there is a defender close by or not?  And anytime you throw subjective aspects like a receiver "having to adjust" it turns into garbage.  What is the exact definition of "adjustment".  What if the receiver has to raise his hands 6 inches?  Or a foot?  What if it is an intentional "back shoulder" throw?  What if a receiver prefers to reach and make the catch with his hands instead of catching it against his body?  And how can a six inch adjustment on a 60 yard pass be just as bad as a six inch adjustment on a 16 yard pass?

When you add in the subjective BS you get a formula that gives the same  credit for a 16 yard pass "under pressure" into a "tight window" as it does for completing a 60 yard bomb where the receiver moves his hands 6 inches.  Go read this guys comments about Dalton each year.  It is clear he does not like Dalton. He clearly was harder on Dalton with his subjective grading because he does not like Dalton.  Perfect example is while he brags about how this formula eliminates a WRs ability to bail out a QB he still claims Dalton was more efficient because he had better receivers.

Basically you have presented a formula that would allow a QB to never throw a ball over 16 yards, complete a lower percentage than Dalton, throw fewer tds than Dalton, throw more ints than Dalton and still be rated higher than Dalton.

(12-17-2018, 11:43 PM)fredtoast Wrote: No he does not.  You are just making that up.

If you are not then give me the top five WRs in "circus catches" over the last two years with exact numbers.

(12-17-2018, 09:49 PM)wolverine515151 Wrote: Every years the starters are ranked based on qb rating.  He has ranked above average only one year , 2015 , and yet you think he's above average.  HE ISN'T ABOVE AVERAGE!!!!!!!!!!!

Every other single ***** year he's had 1 average ranking of 15, and every other year it is below average where he ranks 17 to 25.

(12-17-2018, 11:49 PM)wolverine515151 Wrote: I would say Green , Brown and Beckham are the best at making circus catches although I don't have the stats.  

(12-17-2018, 11:52 PM)fredtoast Wrote: This is getting ridiculous.  Dalton has ranked in the top half of all qualifying QBs in 4 of his 7 seasons

2012 he ranked 13th out of 32
2013 he ranked 15th out of 37
2015 he ranked 2nd out of 34
2016 he ranked 15th out of 30

Do you honestly think people will just believe this BS you make up?

You can't just make up total lies and claim they are true.

(12-17-2018, 11:55 PM)fredtoast Wrote: You don't have the stats because you just made them up.

(12-17-2018, 11:44 PM)wolverine515151 Wrote: I put another one up from PFF. I don't have PFF so I cant see his numbers.

(12-17-2018, 05:08 PM)fredtoast Wrote: https://www.cincyjungle.com/2018/4/2/17188798/andy-dalton-is-a-better-deep-ball-passer-than-you-realize

Dalton’s 2017 deep passer rating clocked in at a 90. That may not register as impressive or not until I tell you that only seven quarterbacks had better ratings in 2017

Dalton’s deep passer rating rank from 2006-2016 was a 95.3, which should be shocking for fans who badmouthed him that whole time. Only nine current quarterbacks had a better deep passer rating over that same span, including Roethlisberger who beat him by 0.5.

(12-17-2018, 05:49 AM)wolverine515151 Wrote: He wasn't significantly bad, and one game doesn't mean you can label a player as garbage. The fact is Dalton would have been as bad or worse than Driskel in yesterdays game. 

(12-17-2018, 11:58 PM)wolverine515151 Wrote:  ranked 25   https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/qb-rating-nfl?season_id=16

ranked 17     https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/qb-rating-nfl?season_id=15

ranked 15     https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/qb-rating-nfl?season_id=14

ranked 2      https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/qb-rating-nfl?season_id=13

ranked 25    https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/qb-rating-nfl?season_id=12

ranked 17     https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/qb-rating-nfl?season_id=11

ranked 17     https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/qb-rating-nfl?season_id=10

ranked 22     https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/qb-rating-nfl?season_id=9

WHERE IS THE BS IM TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!! THESE STATS ARE RIGHT FROM THE WEBSITE RANKING THE ***** QB'S 
         

(12-18-2018, 12:08 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote: A speculative statement can't be a fact. 

(12-18-2018, 12:11 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Those stats are not accurate because they include playoff games.  Not every starting QB has to play an extra game against a playoff level defense.  Only fair way to compare QBs are on the games they ALL have to play.  The only reason some f these guys rank ahead of Dalton is because they failed to make the playoffs.  They passed Dalton sitting at home while Andy played against a playoff level defense.

(12-18-2018, 12:06 AM)wolverine515151 Wrote: I didn't make anything up you POS. I got this from PFF. I dont have PFF so I cant look it up.  I've gone over why you cant use the qb rating for deep balls. Quit using that stat to measure deep balls. 


https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/03/nfl-most-accurate-quarterbacks-pro-football-focus-pff-stats-tom-brady-kirk-cousins