(03-16-2021, 10:29 AM)Au165 Wrote: This is what I am talking about in terms of them lacking the liquid cash and relying on a heavier year one salary to offset the lack of signing bonus. 

(03-16-2021, 10:34 AM)spazz70 Wrote: I think I mis typed what i meant...that was pay up front vs spreading it out (cap space)....  I think you are mistaken if you believe that the Bengals do not have the cash to pay a signing bonus up front and spread out the cap hit for future years in this instance.  I believe and agree that I would not guarantee Lawson's contract just on the simple fact that he HAS NEVER BEN HEALTHY, even going back to college.  Missed a year and half in college with ACL and hip injury and the same thing continued in the pros.  Odds are he misses time this year.

(03-16-2021, 10:37 AM)SErebel11 Wrote: My understanding on signing bonuses is they do not have to paid exactly when they pay on the dotted line. A lot of times an agent sets a date sometimes 6 months or longer depending on what is worked out to have the signing bonus fully paid. 

(03-16-2021, 10:09 AM)Au165 Wrote: No, you don't "spread out" signing bonuses. Signing bonuses are paid...on signing. The cap hit spreads but that is not the same thing as spreading out cash. Simply put, no the Bengals don't have a ton of liquid cash sitting in the bank somewhere especially after the bonuses paid out last year and coming out of a pandemic year. No, they aren't poor relative to you and me, however, they are most likely hurting for liquid cash and I am telling you the Hendrickson deal was not a coincidence that was out of necessity, and it's why Lawson wasn't retained. 

(03-16-2021, 10:38 AM)Au165 Wrote: I am not mistaken at all, I follow the finances of the NFL very closely. There is a misconception that all NFL teams are "rich" and that isn't true. While they are highly valued the actual liquidity of each team is vastly different. I am not sure you actually understand how the finances work here as you keep describing "cap hit" as if it is related to cash but it isn't, it is actually more of an accounting term that isn't really tied to actual cash paid in any given year. 

(03-16-2021, 10:34 AM)spazz70 Wrote: I think I mis typed what i meant...that was pay up front vs spreading it out (cap space)....  I think you are mistaken if you believe that the Bengals do not have the cash to pay a signing bonus up front and spread out the cap hit for future years in this instance.  I believe and agree that I would not guarantee Lawson's contract just on the simple fact that he HAS NEVER BEN HEALTHY, even going back to college.  Missed a year and half in college with ACL and hip injury and the same thing continued in the pros.  Odds are he misses time this year.

(03-16-2021, 10:43 AM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: Do you honestly believe that the organization is out of cash?  Like, they would love to sign some of these guys, but they just don't have the money available in their PNC Business Account to cut a check?

(03-16-2021, 10:25 AM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: Me personally?  Cincinnati, no question.

California has the income highest tax rate in the entire country.  Their income tax rate on these multi-million dollar salaries is 13.30%.  Ohio's is 4.80%.

For example, a player making 10 million dollars a year will pay 1.303 million dollars in state income tax living in California.  A player in Ohio will only pay 476k.

And none of these accounts for housing costs, or costs of living either.  2 million dollars in Cincinnati will put you in a mansion in Indian Hill.  2 million dollars in Los Angeles will get you a 3BR, 1.5 bath, 1,500 sq ft house.  $50 a plate in Cincinnati will get you into Jeff Ruby's.  $50 a plate will get you into a rethemed Applebees in LA.

There's a lot reason tons of people are leaving California right now, and not all of it is Covid restrictions, homeless people shitting on your porch, or blue-haired pansexuals protesting the falvor of the day.  A lot of it is money related.
 

(03-16-2021, 10:38 AM)Au165 Wrote: I am not mistaken, I follow the finances of the NFL very closely. There is a misconception that all NFL teams are "rich" and that isn't true. While they are highly valued the actual liquidity of each team is vastly different. I am not sure you actually understand how the finances work here as you keep describing "cap hit" as if it is related to cash but it isn't, it is actually more of an accounting term that isn't really tied to actual cash paid in any given year. 

(03-16-2021, 10:37 AM)SErebel11 Wrote: My understanding on signing bonuses is they do not have to paid exactly when they pay on the dotted line. A lot of times an agent sets a date sometimes 6 months or longer depending on what is worked out to have the signing bonus fully paid. 

(03-16-2021, 10:54 AM)bengaloo Wrote: We have enough money to bring in more help at DE. Depth has also been an issue and we saw that when Hubbard went down. Justin Houston could be a good 1-2 year guy. He's older but has still been productive and would be a good vet presence on the D.

(03-16-2021, 11:08 AM)jj22 Wrote: Kerry Hyder
Solomon Thomas would be good additions.


For interior dl pressure
Sheldon is still out there, as is Quenton Jefferson.


Still some D players available.

(03-16-2021, 09:01 AM)Whatever Wrote: https://mobile.twitter.com/NextGenStats/status/1371648727589478404

The interesting thing about Next Gen Stats is they are based on GPS tracking information, so no human judgement is involved.

(03-16-2021, 10:25 AM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: Me personally?  Cincinnati, no question.

California has the income highest tax rate in the entire country.  Their income tax rate on these multi-million dollar salaries is 13.30%.  Ohio's is 4.80%.

For example, a player making 10 million dollars a year will pay 1.303 million dollars in state income tax living in California.  A player in Ohio will only pay 476k.

And none of these accounts for housing costs, or costs of living either.  2 million dollars in Cincinnati will put you in a mansion in Indian Hill.  2 million dollars in Los Angeles will get you a 3BR, 1.5 bath, 1,500 sq ft house.  $50 a plate in Cincinnati will get you into Jeff Ruby's.  $50 a plate will get you into a rethemed Applebees in LA.

There's a lot reason tons of people are leaving California right now, and not all of it is Covid restrictions, homeless people shitting on your porch, or blue-haired pansexuals protesting the falvor of the day.  A lot of it is money related.
 

(03-16-2021, 10:45 AM)Au165 Wrote: I believe they have a lower cash reserve than they feel comfortable with and are looking to try and preserve cash where they can via structuring contracts in a way that has cash flowing out as it's coming in i.e. salaries. 

(03-16-2021, 11:28 AM)SErebel11 Wrote: If this is true, then the way they handled this whole free agency period is terrible. 


1. They should have just franchised Lawson. Sure they saved 3.5M against the cap but they could have used what liquidity they have in pursuit of another player like Zeitler. It appears that they gave Hendrickson a 10M signing bonus. Baltimore structured Zeitler's contract the way we talked about on the other thread. 1M base 9M signing with a lot of guaranteed money. I had him at 3/21. They would have saved nearly the 3.5M cap back on Zeitler. 

2. They should have been attacking other players in the 5-8 M range with higher guaranteed money in later seasons instead of paying big signing bonuses. I frankly do not understand why they are so hardcore with that since they seem to let everyone play out their contract anyway. KirkPatrick being an exception to the rule.

3. If they don't have the liquidity to stretch the cap for this season, there is no reason why they should not have cut Bernard, Uzomah, Atkins, and Hart saving them 25M toward the cap and found roster upgrades elsewhere.

4. They should not have come out with all this talk that they were going to make huge improvements to the roster in free agency.

5. They should have restructured Boyd in a deal where they are paying his bonus during the season since they have him under contract anyway which would have saved another 5M towards the cap. 

(03-16-2021, 10:45 AM)Au165 Wrote: I believe they have a lower cash reserve than they feel comfortable with and are looking to try and preserve cash where they can via structuring contracts in a way that has cash flowing out as it's coming in i.e. salaries.