(03-22-2017, 01:14 PM)Whatever Wrote: Even if you just use Ross in a Chris Henry role, he'll make an immediate impact, though.  To me, I would go with a 4.22 guy who already is a good route runner at 9 over a  low-mid 4.4 guy who needs a lot of work in 4-6. With Ross's speed, they are going to get the ball in his hands.  Another reason I like him is Ross had a very high success rate on the deep post route in college, and Dalton had the highest success rate in the league on the deep post last year.  A 4.22 guy that runs a great deep post combined with the best deep post thrower in the league is a dangerous combo.

Quote:STRENGTHS

 Has home-run gear to yank the top off of defenses. Vertical speed demands respect and creates open throws underneath. Corners open hips early to turn and sprint, leaving his curl and dig routes unchallenged. Feet are fire. On verticals from the slot, sells the corner route and stems to the post with a burst for easy separation and a comfortable throwing window for the quarterback. Hands are generally solid. Plus hand-eye coordination. Natural ball-tracker who locates the deep ball early and watches it. Dangerous show-and-go open-field ability after the catch. Able to win with slants or fades near the goal line. Eludes the first tackler and can turn a short one into a long one in a heartbeat. Has enough size to work from outside or from the slot. Saw four of his eight carries go for 15-plus yards. Has returned at least one kickoff for a touchdown in each of his three years at Washington.

Quote:WEAKNESSES

 Undersized with below-average play strength. Struggled to get into his routes cleanly and impact the game against the physical cornerbacks at Alabama. Weight will creep too far out over his toes at times. Tape shows occasional stumbles over nothing but turf in his routes and after the catch. Needs to do better job of working back to the throw. Has to learn to make contested catches. Will need to sharpen his short and intermediate routes to become a true three-level target. Has had a major injury to both knees. The long-term health of both knees will be a concern that has to be answered at the combine.

Quote:BOTTOM LINE

 Ross is an instant-impact weapon who scored 23 touchdowns in just 112 touches. He should be able to step right in as a kick returner and a slot receiver, but teams with speed at tight end might utilize him outside to create extreme vertical stress on opposing safeties. If his knees check out as healthy, Ross is a likely first-round pick with the rare ability to become a high-volume slot receiver or a lesser-targeted, high-yield deep-ball threat.

(03-20-2017, 10:18 AM)Au165 Wrote: He is a mid 1st guy, here is the thing though if he is your guy at 15 he needs to be your guy at 9 otherwise he probably shouldn't have been your guy at 15. The reason I say that is at the end of the season no one is going to care you picked him 6 picks too early or too late they will care about production. Now when you start talking taking guys whole rounds ahead I agree, but when your talking about early mid late I think you just have to get your guy if it's your guy because he isn't making it to the next round. The whole trade back thing always sounds good, but getting those deals done during the draft doesn't always work out.

(03-21-2017, 09:28 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Well we're not exactly beggars, so we can be choosers. I'm fine with taking developmental WRs, but not with a top 10 pick. Any player drafted top 10 should be polished enough to start day 1, if he's not, give me the guy who is. Even if it's a different need or position.

So it looks like we have a stand off. Me and Milksheikh vs you and BengalDude. Where are we meeting to settle this like men? 

(03-21-2017, 06:07 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Yeah, and with this draft class the BPA could be a CB.

(03-20-2017, 04:59 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: I think pass rusher is like...a 90% chance at this point.

(03-17-2017, 11:15 PM)Shady Wrote: Just heard Lapham predict we go pass rusher at #9.

If one of our top pass rushers isn't there at 9 who is worth that high of a pick, we go "receiver."

So, that could mean Solomon Thomas, the most likely pass rusher to be there?

He didn't specify WR or TE, but we might assume WR. In my mind, that's Ross or Davis.

Doesn't Lap have some kind of record of being good at predicting our picks?

(03-22-2017, 08:39 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: And Boyd, and the running game....

(03-22-2017, 09:33 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: We already have enough receivers.  The truth is, there are game changing receivers that come out, every season.  Bengals or any team can get one just about any draft.  The problem still lies with the OL.

Yes, I know that this is considered a weak class for OL.  I think that the Bengals could slide back, and go for Ryan Ramczyk (sp?) as the NEW LT of the future.  I have complete confidence in Andre Smith to not only win the starting job at RG, but to look better than he ever did at RT.  Face it, in a phone booth, Andre Smith is a bad mofo. 

So, unless the Bengals squeeze the trigger on a DE at 9, I would fully expect them to trade back and reap the benefits. 

(03-22-2017, 10:27 PM)McC Wrote: There's no guarantee there will be a trading partner.

(03-22-2017, 10:27 PM)McC Wrote: There's no guarantee there will be a trading partner.

(03-22-2017, 10:27 PM)McC Wrote: There's no guarantee there will be a trading partner.

(03-22-2017, 11:30 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: There's never a guarantee, but I'd bet they get calls considering the QB's like Watson and (maybe) Kizer that should still be available at 9. Not to mention other top talent. There's a lot of things that have to fall in place for a trade to occur, but I'd bet they get a few calls. Just depends on whether they're enticed more by the deal or the player sitting in front of them.

(03-22-2017, 11:04 PM)BenZoo2 Wrote: That's true.  But I am willing to bet they get calls.  Somewhere on the boards it seems that I read someone post the bengals don't see a difference between players 9-20.  I doubt their top 8 include qb's, but maybe 1 is on there.  If their top 8 are gone they should trade back

(03-22-2017, 09:33 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: We already have enough receivers.  The truth is, there are game changing receivers that come out, every season.  Bengals or any team can get one just about any draft.  The problem still lies with the OL.

Yes, I know that this is considered a weak class for OL.  I think that the Bengals could slide back, and go for Ryan Ramczyk (sp?) as the NEW LT of the future.  I have complete confidence in Andre Smith to not only win the starting job at RG, but to look better than he ever did at RT.  Face it, in a phone booth, Andre Smith is a bad mofo. 

So, unless the Bengals squeeze the trigger on a DE at 9, I would fully expect them to trade back and reap the benefits. 

(03-23-2017, 12:55 AM)Whatever Wrote: A team looking to move up for a QB would likely deal with the Bills now that they've resigned Taylor or the Saints before us because the cost will be less.  The big leverage we had before was teams trying to jump the Bills, and that's gone.  

(03-23-2017, 01:03 AM)Whatever Wrote: I think that there have been several people who have floated the idea that maybe the Bengals don't see a difference between 9-20 to justify a trade down, but I've seen nothing from the Bengals to indicate this, and if they did say this, it's probably a smokescreen.  In fact, Marvin's comments that 11 draft picks aren't going to make this roster seems to indicate that they have little desire to move down and stockpile more picks.

(03-18-2017, 02:51 AM)Shady Wrote: So would i. I was a little shocked Lap didn't mention him as a possibility.