(05-17-2017, 01:56 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Peko is just another in a long line of respected former Bengals to take some shots after they leave.

They can't all be wrong, right?

(05-17-2017, 02:09 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Well Peko is right about the mindset and we are right about him being washed up and being part of the problem when he was here.

These mediocre players are the type we should of been upgrading, not holding onto far past their prime.

(05-17-2017, 03:18 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: I think a lot of you guys are kind of missing the point of what he was saying/what the topic is about. 

This isn't about Peko and his role on those teams, its about the attitude of the franchise and what they consider a "success". Yeah, Peko was part of those teams but that doesn't mean he shared the same attitude or was the sole reason for that attitude.

(05-17-2017, 03:24 PM)Hoofhearted Wrote: I give Marv a lot of crap, but you can't tell me for a second that Marv and his staff go around saying there goal is to win a playoff game. I mean, really. I put this into him hearing all the noise from the fans and media about it, and got sick of it.

(05-17-2017, 03:27 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Precisely!

It's the same attitude that the fanbase has. We don't talk about winning Super Bowls. We talk about making the playoffs and winning 1 game.

When you haven't won a playoff game in 26+ years...that makes sense.

(05-17-2017, 03:34 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Yep - The Bengals best players over the years: Pickens, Joseph, Smith, Dillon, Palmer, Chad Johnson, etc all get villified after they leave for speaking out about how things were here.

When you don't win a playoff game in 26+ years...it's definately an organizational culture issue. Don't think that isn't in the players heads.

(05-17-2017, 03:37 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: In a sense, that's what Peko is talking about. The Bengals had a Top 3 roster for a couple years...and instead of investing every dollar into putting a winner on the field...management stayed status quo (retaining Lewis, not cutting washed up players and upgrading at Center, etc.)

The result: 5 straight playoff appearances with 5 straight losses.

Good enough to make the playoffs. Not good enough to win.

Certainly not good enough to win a Super Bowl. Usually not good enough to beat good teams in Primetime games.

Next year will be our year...

(05-17-2017, 03:37 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: In a sense, that's what Peko is talking about. The Bengals had a Top 3 roster for a couple years...and instead of investing every dollar into putting a winner on the field...management stayed status quo (retaining Lewis, not cutting washed up players and upgrading at Center, etc.)

The result: 5 straight playoff appearances with 5 straight losses.

Good enough to make the playoffs. Not good enough to win.

Certainly not good enough to win a Super Bowl. Usually not good enough to beat good teams in Primetime games.

Next year will be our year...

(05-17-2017, 03:33 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: If they admit it or not, can you imagine anything different than wanting to win a playoff game? He is undisputedly the worst coach in the playoffs. It can't even be argued any differently without a 12 pack and a freaken wild imagination?

(05-17-2017, 03:39 PM)Pat5775 Wrote: Well that's certainly true. It's sad that some our fanbase can't see the big picture. Do people think they just ***** and moan for no reason? Newsflash: the people in charge here suck, ladies and gentlemen.

I'll never understand why people get so upset when players speak out. If anything, you shouldn't blame them. Hate on the players all you want, they're not the ones running a franchise of futility.

(05-17-2017, 03:37 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: In a sense, that's what Peko is talking about. The Bengals had a Top 3 roster for a couple years...and instead of investing every dollar into putting a winner on the field...management stayed status quo (retaining Lewis, not cutting washed up players and upgrading at Center, etc.)

The result: 5 straight playoff appearances with 5 straight losses.

Good enough to make the playoffs. Not good enough to win.

Certainly not good enough to win a Super Bowl. Usually not good enough to beat good teams in Primetime games.

Next year will be our year...

(05-17-2017, 03:56 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: So peko is complaining we didn't cut him sooner?   Players are the ones on the Field... Peko is a DT we have been ran all over in our playoff games.. what was he doing?  Good for the team stuff like running onto the field from the bench during the Pitt playoff game.?    If this came from someone playing at a high level I would listen more closely.

(05-17-2017, 03:39 PM)Pat5775 Wrote: Well that's certainly true. It's sad that some our fanbase can't see the big picture. Do people think they just ***** and moan for no reason? Newsflash: the people in charge here suck, ladies and gentlemen.

I'll never understand why people get so upset when players speak out. If anything, you shouldn't blame them. Hate on the players all you want, they're not the ones running a franchise of futility.

(05-17-2017, 04:45 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: When I post stats about how most of the NFL has won 5+ playoff games since the Bengals last won a playoff game...a decent percentage of the board argues with it. They defend the Bengals strategy.

ZERO playoff wins in 26+ years.

People talk about it being bad matchups. How they would have beat some playoff teams. Circumstances. Conspiracies. etc.

You don't fail to win a playoff game for 26+ years in a league were most teams have won 5+ and some teams have won 19+ based on bad luck.

(05-17-2017, 04:25 PM)Bengal Dude Wrote: This would carry more weight to me if it came from a good player like Zeitler or Whit. Peko has been below average (putting it nicely) for quite some time. It's not like he played lights out in any of the playoff games. The only memory I have of him in the postseason is him running onto the field to push an opposing player while wearing his cape.

(05-17-2017, 04:25 PM)Bengal Dude Wrote: This would carry more weight to me if it came from a good player like Zeitler or Whit. Peko has been below average (putting it nicely) for quite some time. It's not like he played lights out in any of the playoff games. The only memory I have of him in the postseason is him running onto the field to push an opposing player while wearing his cape.

(05-17-2017, 05:21 PM)McC Wrote: Peko lost me forever when he ran onto the field in the last playoff game.  How much did that do to the cause?  If I remember right, it was on third down and kept a drive alive that ended in a TD.  When a ten year vet pulls that big a boneheaded move, imo, he has lost the right to run his mouth forever.  **** Peko.

(05-17-2017, 05:19 PM)wolfkaosaun Wrote: Zeitler and Whit both went to different teams that are struggling big time. Whit wanted paid and Zeitler has said he believes in what Hue is building.

Other players have said things that were good on this team. Such as Jonathan Joseph. Joseph even gave more of an inside look as to what the Bengals do. He talked about how Houston's owner was different and how the inside of that organization was different than Cincy.

Terrell Owens even brought up issues with the team. Saying their coaching on offense was struggling. Quoted by saying “Offensively, we really didnt have the coaching we needed[url=http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/02/18/to-on-bengals-woes-it-starts-from-the-top-down/?module=HP_headlines][/url] to muster what we had on the offensive side of the ball.” and “I’ve made a comment about if you’re trying to win some championships, it starts from the top down,” Owens said. “[Sapp] mentioned Mike Brown; I think even before I got there, they said the owner was a little different. Obviously, I saw that.”

Even Willie Anderson has talked about how the team is!

Even guys on the TEAM have had questions. Such as Giovani Bernard and Carlos Dunlap.


When you have more than one player/former player saying something, then there's something.