(10-18-2017, 01:37 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I haven't watched a non-Bengals game in 2 years at least, and I've been missing more Bengals games than ever.

Among the reasons:

1. The protests and demonizing of police
2. Constant promotion of political agendas, not just from players but especially sports media, which has swung heavily to the left recently
3. Constant rule changes
4. Double standards with certain teams
5. Roger Goodell fully embracing the Vince McMahon role

(10-18-2017, 01:41 PM)thillan Wrote: Oh yeah, Roger is a HUGE problem for this league right now. I can't believe it. Many NFL players seriously can't stand him.

(10-18-2017, 01:50 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Everyone hates the guy. NFL's response? Gives the guy an extension.

(10-18-2017, 10:32 AM)Bengalholic Wrote: MNF, SNF, CBS and Fox all saw their NFL ratings decline last year, and the trend has continued through this year.                            
When you combine the number of people abandoning cable and satellite (projected to be 22 million this year alone) with the steady rise in people watching games via streaming sites, it's easy to see why the NFL's numbers are taking a hit.

Then of course, there's the fact that many feel the game is becoming harder to watch, in general, for a number of different reasons - and they're simply tuning out more often.

Even after the whole protest thing has passed, the NFL will still has some very real challenges when it comes to retaining viewers going forward, especially considering the ever-evolving (and nontraditional) media trends and options.

(10-18-2017, 09:53 AM)grampahol Wrote: Perhaps enough people are beginning to see just how much the league is involved in tilting the favor to certain teams **cough cough squeelers cough cough** and having certain teams take a dive..
It doesn't have to be the entire team taking the dive either, just a few key players or mystery penalties and /or suspensions.. As far as the anthem thing that was just a piece of the age old strategy of the ruling class to divide and conquer and the public eats it up every f**king time like clockwork. Anyone who doesn't see how divide and conquer works has no business even commenting on public issues. It's worked since, well....forever. It works in the league as well. Ownership let it go on to see it work to perfection. Some players 'took a knee', some locked arms blah blah blah and the whole thing worked perfectly to divide the players union. We're sold the same old song and dance of patriotism, nationalism, religious rights and freedoms and the public gets split up into several factions while the ruling classes run off with all the money. Think about it for a second. If a city won't support team ownership the team always has the option of packing up and moving to another city that will fund the whole shebang, stadiums and all.  If the voters in Hamilton county decided that they were never going to give the Bengals another plug nickel Mike Brown and company would pack up and leave town before you could say MB sucks and you all know it. They'd find another town and crop of dummies to swear allegiance to Mikey and stripes if they even kept the name. Hell, the Browns moved to Baltimore to become the Ravens.. Of course Cleveland got a new team, but they've been run like a dumpster fire ever since.

(10-18-2017, 02:13 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I thought it was illegal to stream an NFL game without NFL consent so if I am correct, they can calculate streaming thus accounting for it.

I cancelled the NFL ticket. I DVR'd channel 701 (4 games at a time) and channel 702 (8 games at a time) + all local games. Since I cancelled the ticket, I only watch one early and lone late game at most. I quit watching Sunday, Monday and Thursday nights also so I watch a whole lot less due to disrespecting our flag and our country. Find another way to protest (which is your right), but my right to watch you less when I disagree with your actions.

(10-18-2017, 10:41 AM)Nately120 Wrote: Yep, the NFL is part of that pay-TV realm that has been losing traction for years.  When your options for watching football are either pay for an entire cable package or look it up on a pirated internet site...well, it's not a hard decision for many.  I'm 35 and a lot of people I know who all have real jobs and homes and lives don't have cable.  The concept of not having cable used to be insane...it was just for people who lived in the boonies and/or were dirt poor, but it's just not something people have for the sake of having anymore.

It's pretty similar to what happened to the music industry.  People didn't abandon music, but a loss of overall revenue for the common american and the availability of things for free via the internet (plus a mix of corporate greed and consumer greed) changed the entire music-making business model.  No longer do people have to wait in line and pay $18 for a new CD, so revenue streams needed to change in order to keep money flowing.

(10-18-2017, 02:04 PM)RoyleRedlegs Wrote: Because they keep making more money. 
He's actually doing a good job as commissioner. 
He's not beholden to fans or players, but to the owners and the shield. 

And the Shield is as profitable as ever. 


When your commissioner is too player-friendly, you get MLB and it's boring. It's run by players and it almost is exclusively about big market teams and it starts to isolate fans of the mid-small teams who only watch when their team is winning. 

(10-18-2017, 02:39 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: This is a common response to those bashing Goodell, and I'd respond by saying the owners are fools for taking their customers for granted. 

Eventually the chickens will come to roost and the owners will come to regret forgetting about the thing that makes it all go. The fans.

We're already starting to see some issues with ratings down across the board. Keep biting the hand that feeds and eventually people will turn the channel and spend their dollars elsewhere.

(10-18-2017, 02:19 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: You sound like my bat shit crazy uncle in Washington with some of his Kaczynskiesque Facebook posts.

Umm...





Ray?

(10-18-2017, 01:50 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Everyone hates the guy. NFL's response? Gives the guy an extension.

(10-18-2017, 02:39 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: This is a common response to those bashing Goodell, and I'd respond by saying the owners are fools for taking their customers for granted. 

Eventually the chickens will come to roost and the owners will come to regret forgetting about the thing that makes it all go. The fans.

We're already starting to see some issues with ratings down across the board. Keep biting the hand that feeds and eventually people will turn the channel and spend their dollars elsewhere.

(10-18-2017, 02:48 PM)RoyleRedlegs Wrote: 1. There's nothing he could do to make fans like him. People are siding with millionaires over billionaires as if it's some sort of big badge of honor like they're fighting for the little guy. 
He's a boss. People would naturally hate him. We have too much access to like him.

2. What is he, specifically, doing to make fans mad other than his job? 

(10-18-2017, 01:33 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Honestly a lot of the players are unlikeable and as a league...it's lucky to go a week without a guy getting arrested too.