(02-11-2018, 10:53 PM)t3r3e3 Wrote: Brian Dawkins makes 3, and Hines Ward likely makes it 4 with the “played for Steelers Championship teams” voting bump, a la Stallworth and Swann.

(02-11-2018, 06:11 PM)bengalhoel Wrote: Good Lord man he is 82 years old. Lets go for the damn thing instead of pinching pennies!
I remember before last season started that I was hoping to sign free agents and just assuming that we were keeping Whitworth , Zeitler and Fitzpatrick. Then we said that Whit and Zeitler were leaving and we didn't do much in FA.  That was mind boggling to me.

(02-11-2018, 07:26 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Hmm, you must not know me that well.  You'll never read those words off of my fingertips..

(02-12-2018, 01:30 AM)McC Wrote: Not just cheap but foolish too.   When he does put money out there, he puts it in too many wrong places.  And obviously lacking in foresight.  And won't learn from his past mistakes, a trait he and Marvin share in spades.

If you do something differently than your peers and stick to your guns no matter what, and it pays off, you look like a genius.  If you do things differently than all your peers and stick to your guns no matter what and it never pays off, you look like a world class dumbass.

When you think about it, Mike is either lying about wanting to win the big one or he is a really big idiot.  What other conclusion is there?

Mike, when you get to a fork in the road and every fiber of your being says go left, in the future, by all means, go right.

(02-12-2018, 10:12 AM)BengalsBong Wrote: I would take a six pack for Whit then and I don't even drink. If the new coaches don't like Boling I would take another sixer for him as well. If you all think Whit would of fixed all our o line issues this past year you are mistaken. He is old as dirt and we needed to move on and we did so no reason to beat that poor dead horse anymore.

(02-12-2018, 12:59 PM)grampahol Wrote: I'm not convinced that a 3rd round comp pick at #33 of the 3rd round is that far of a cry from being the first pick of the 4th round. (or whatever round) Nobody has really made that argument, but in some people's minds a comp pick is a curse somehow..
In some people's minds being a college free agent beats being a 7th round pick when in fact it really doesn't matter how a player gets into the league. The fact remains that there have been plenty of CFAs who have had much better careers than first overall picks..

(02-12-2018, 12:35 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: I thought the big argument was 1 year deal (Bengals offer) vs 3 years (Rams offer) for Whit.

(02-12-2018, 10:24 AM)muskiesfan Wrote: I partially agree with your statement. I love Whitworth and he should have retired a Bengal, however I can understand the thought process of moving on if that's what the team felt was in their best interest. I don't believe that was entirely the case though. According to Lewis, he thought Whit was coming back. Whether that he was his actual thought process or his way of playing the game to try and drive down Whit's market, I don't know. He did go around the combine telling everyone Whit was in the fold.

Another part of moving on is you have to have a back up plan in place. In limited action, Shawn Williams looked like he could potentially step up into Nelson's spot. So the team deciding to go young at that position made some sense. In the Whit situation, Ced had not shown he was able to step in and be an NFL caliber player. He played horribly the season prior, finally got benched, and when put back in, shit the bed again. The only things that Ced has proven is that he is not capable of being a starter in the NFL and that guys Paul Alexander truly believe in turned out to be hot garbage. Ced and Bodine are 2 guys that Alexander hand picked and stood up for at every turn.

(02-11-2018, 07:18 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: How many comp picks pay off in the entire NFL ? 1 in 25 ? 1 in 50 ? There's probably stats on that somewhere. But I'd say it's a fair bet very few become regular starters. And a tiny portion actually become true impact players !

(02-11-2018, 06:34 PM)bengalhoel Wrote: Maybe Glasgow will be worth it.

(02-11-2018, 07:18 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: How many comp picks pay off in the entire NFL ? 1 in 25 ? 1 in 50 ? There's probably stats on that somewhere. But I'd say it's a fair bet very few become regular starters. And a tiny portion actually become true impact players !

(02-11-2018, 07:20 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote:

Yeah, I have done a couple things over the years about how much more it cost the Bengals in picks and dollars to try to replace JJo than if they had just given him the guaranteed money that he wanted.

Pretty sure I did one for Housh, too.

As for the OP, I have done a couple posts in the past listing all of the Bengals comp picks under Lewis. It is an ugly ugly list. It has never paid off for the Bengals.

(02-11-2018, 07:21 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: That was the entire point that whomever it was, was attempting to show.  It cost more to replace with several, than it does to just pay the man, to begin with.

(02-11-2018, 07:21 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: That was the entire point that whomever it was, was attempting to show.  It cost more to replace with several, than it does to just pay the man, to begin with.

(02-11-2018, 08:25 PM)BengalChris Wrote: Interesting question.

Early on, 1994 era, there were 1st and 2nd round comp picks, so those are a bit harder to count because they were high picks.

There is only one comp pick in the HoF and that is Larry Allen, who was a 2nd round and pick #46 overall by Dallas in 1994.

Tom Brady was a 6th round comp pick and he'll be HoFer number 2.

Here's a link which lists the top 18 most impactful comp picks. I guess they couldn't come up with 20.

Most Impactful Comp Picks

Considering there are 32 comp picks each year in today's game, 18 out of 32 x 23 (736) years is 2.45% that were impactful. 2.45% would be 1 out of every 48 or so. That's pretty sad. 2 out of 736 have been HoF quality, which is 0.27%. That would only be 1 HoFer by today's rules where the highest comp picks are 3rd rounders.

(02-11-2018, 08:50 PM)bengalhoel Wrote: I have to disagree with you there. I will say that Whit leaving probably is the only reason Alexander isnt here, which I think is a positive.

(02-11-2018, 06:47 PM)bengalhoel Wrote: Does the owner have to pay for SuperBowl rings? If so he would just order one for the whole team and they would have to share it.

(02-11-2018, 06:02 PM)leonardfan40 Wrote: Yep, was able to save money not paying Whit while also getting a free 5th rounder under rookie wage scale for 4 years

(02-11-2018, 06:19 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Definately the biggest screw up lately letting Whit go.

It was insulting not to give the guy atleast the same contract he got from the Rams. Or at the very least tag him.

I know he was getting up there in terms of age but he always took great care of himself and we all saw from last
season he had years in him. He is a coach off the field to boot. BTW, when is the last time a comp pick paid off for
us? Cannot remember?