(09-15-2018, 04:17 PM)Millhouse Wrote: I don't blame Carson for leaving, I certainly don't think there is such a thing as 'abandoning your team'. It's a pro sport, and this is the real world. If an employee wants out or wants changes, thats his American right to do so. He wanted changes, then wanted out. I have quit on employers because I simply hated the way they did business, and I wanted to better my career. Since they werent going to change, and my career wasn't getting better due to it, efff them I was gone. 

(09-15-2018, 07:58 PM)Atomic Orange Wrote:



Is this all of it, only 25 minutes?

I got rid of cable.

(09-15-2018, 06:49 PM)McC Wrote: Put a hundred people in a room.  How many of those people will be assholes?  Probably more than a few.  Does that make everyone in the room an asshole?  One guy in the room makes a mess.  Does that make everyone in the room a slob?

(09-15-2018, 08:51 PM)jfkbengals Wrote: One time, as in your example, is an isolated incident.

These were multiple incidents over a larger span of time.

(09-14-2018, 11:00 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: Did it show him “going long...er?” That ad was the real beginning of his downfall. It was embarrassing.

(09-15-2018, 09:32 AM)pally Wrote: Carson never hid the fact that he was just in Cincinnati to work. He made no apparent effort to become part of the community. And when during his holdout or aftermath, he made no outreach to the fans, the fans wrote him off. How much of his story is revisionist history since he would rather be remembered as the hard working Cardinal QB than the guy who quit on his team.

(09-16-2018, 12:04 AM)mikey6866 Wrote: Man are some of you guys are embarassing yourselfs.  Carson was a great qb for this franchise, and he is exactly what we wanted and needed at the position.  You call him crybaby and quitter when all he was doing was trying to change the culture and bring a winner to the city.  He was right about everything at that time and had mike brown actually listened this franchise would have been much better off for it.  We would have never had to endure the zampese oc experiment since he was supposed to be gone before mike brown "changed his mind" .  That caused a lot of friction and carson had enough of the penny pinching bullshit.  He actually cared a lot more about winning than mike brown did.  He tried to force mike browns hand to start delivering a winning team but mike brown was too stubborn and cheap.  Carson is a huge reason why we have started seeing changes little by little to get to where we are at today.

While were at it for everybody that has been ragging on marvin for everything over the years I commend him for staying this long.  Working for mike brown cant be easy.  While I think a head coach is very important to the team, its way more important to have good coodinators / play callers.  The coordinators have a lot more impact on wins and losses.  Good schemes and great play callers is what wins games in the nfl if the talent is there.

(09-15-2018, 04:17 PM)Millhouse Wrote: Same here. I was done back in 2001-2002 years. Granted at the time I was in Columbus and thankfully was up there in the late 90s ignoring much of the Bengals during that time because there was more things going on like going to OSU. It wasn't too hard to disconnect with the worst professional franchise in sports, so I did basically.

However Marvin was hired from the outside, and Carson was drafted first overall. That is the moment I came back, though with a permanent like hesitancy which I still have to this day because of Mike Brown.

Unfortunately though for Carson, he was drafted by the Bengals. Marvin did change the culture around to a good point, not completely though. Underneath it all, the were still the same ole Bengals. 

I don't blame Carson for leaving, I certainly don't think there is such a thing as 'abandoning your team'. It's a pro sport, and this is the real world. If an employee wants out or wants changes, thats his American right to do so. He wanted changes, then wanted out. I have quit on employers because I simply hated the way they did business, and I wanted to better my career. Since they werent going to change, and my career wasn't getting better due to it, efff them I was gone. 

(09-16-2018, 12:50 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: He left. We went to the postseason 4 years in a row.

Get your pouting quiting bullshit out if here Carson.

Imagine what Carson would do with the blocking Dalton has had... Jack shit. 

Mike Brown paid the hell out of the team leader carson. Dude straight up quit on us. 2Nd round QB comes in and shows a little nutsac and gets 4 playoff appearances in a row. Carson getting to the playoffs seemed like a miracle. With Dalton it is expected.

(09-16-2018, 01:57 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote: The only difference between Carson and the fans is, he was able to completely quit and leave the team when he was fed up. Most fans are invested enough and don't have the opportunity to relocate when they get fed up. They're stuck here and emotionally invested in a way Carson could never be. I'd guess that is the reason for any fans that hate Carson. He was able to break away and they can't. 

I can only confirm that is the reason i have any ill will towards Carson. 

(09-16-2018, 07:46 AM)Pat5775 Wrote: I really can't help but wonder how many people calling Carson a quitter and a crybaby (ironically, not realizing what they sound like ) are Ohio State fans...

(09-16-2018, 01:57 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote: The only difference between Carson and the fans is, he was able to completely quit and leave the team when he was fed up. Most fans are invested enough and don't have the opportunity to relocate when they get fed up. They're stuck here and emotionally invested in a way Carson could never be. I'd guess that is the reason for any fans that hate Carson. He was able to break away and they can't. 

I can only confirm that is the reason i have any ill will towards Carson. 

(09-16-2018, 10:39 AM)bfine32 Wrote: And I can only speak for me when I say nope.

Boomer also went to Mike Brown to discuss personnel. Mikey didn't listen to him either and actually drafted his "replacement" early in the first round. Boomer didn't quit, he went to Mikey and requested to be traded, Mikey said give me one more year. Boomer stayed and the following year was traded to NYJ. I love(d) Boomer and rooted for the Jets while he was there.

If Carson would have done the exact same thing; I would have 0 ill will. But he quit on his team when they needed him most; lest we forget there was a lockout that off-season.