(12-02-2018, 11:59 AM)The Real Deal Wrote: That’s been me for a while now. I witnessed him helping to bring some “reaching the playoffs” consistency to a franchise and a fan base that was starving for it. I saw him appear to break into some elite categories in 2015. I saw potential.

But that has since disappeared. I’m over it. I’m ready to move on. But where am I moving on to?

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you Dwayne Haskins. Now anyone and everyone that cannot stand Ohio state, take the blinders off for a moment. The kid is good. Good head on his shoulders, elite arm strength, breaks down man and zone coverages well, and on top of that has just enough mobility to be able to escape the pocket and make plays. He is going to play on sundays, and he is going to play well. So why not here?

The problem is that it would take losing out to even have a remote shot at getting him. But the kid can play and I think he could bring some serious excitement to Cincinnati for a very long time. He could be special.

I say we go for it.

(12-02-2018, 09:11 PM)Whatever Wrote: I'm not trying to be a hater, but seriously, there have been these discussions for nearly every OSU QB since Troy Smith.  Smith, Prior, Barrett, Cardale, etc, etc.  If we miss out on Haskins, don't worry, we might be able to get Tate Martell in a year or two.

Urban Meyer's system has either done a terrible job of preparing elite QB talent for the pro's or a great job of making above average QB talent look elite.  In all his years, the best pro QB he's produced is still Tim Tebow, for Pete's sake.  

A big concern I have is that both Barrett and Jones looked unstoppable the year Braxton went down, then both went straight downhill.  If Haskins declares, is he the real deal or just getting out before he gets exposed?

(12-02-2018, 09:18 PM)CornerBlitz Wrote: Haskins has the physical tools to be a great NFL QB and backed it up by breaking a bunch of BIG 10 records.  None of the other QBs you mentioned had a season like Haskins and more importantly none of those QBs have the physical tools like Haskins.

I'm not saying Haskins is going to be a great QB, but please do not attempt to make the case that because he's a Buckeye that he won't pan out. 

(12-02-2018, 09:18 PM)CornerBlitz Wrote: Haskins has the physical tools to be a great NFL QB and backed it up by breaking a bunch of BIG 10 records.  None of the other QBs you mentioned had a season like Haskins and more importantly none of those QBs have the physical tools like Haskins.

I'm not saying Haskins is going to be a great QB, but please do not attempt to make the case that because he's a Buckeye that he won't pan out. 

(12-02-2018, 09:24 PM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: The offensive weapons Ohio State has are unbelievable.  There are no weak links on that team, especially the starters.  Dwayne Haskins is a great player but he’s also surrounded by great players who are coached by great coaches.

(12-02-2018, 10:08 PM)Whatever Wrote: Pryor and Cardale had better physical tools than Haskins.

No doubt he had a great year, but he's had a ton of talent around him, and as I said, a lot of OSU QB's start strong and then fall to earth.  I would like to see him return to school and back it up before I would go all in on him, as I would like from any other QB.  

Haskins could be the first OSU QB to become a franchise QB in the NFL, or he could be another in a long line of guys overhyped by the fan base.  I think it's fair to discuss the school and the coach's history particularly when the main reason we're having the discussion is because of the school Haskins plays for.

(12-02-2018, 10:22 PM)Synric Wrote: What's your guys stance on Tua Tagovailoa?  

Ohio State Alabama Georgia Clemson Oklahoma etc...these teams are always going to have a lot of talent at a lot of potions because they recruit well and players want to play for them.

That doesn't discount what Haskins has done this year. He has put himself in the first round conversation with HIS play.

(12-02-2018, 12:24 PM)The Real Deal Wrote:  But why, if the opportunity would present itself, would you not want to draft a kid with the talent Haskins has? 

(12-02-2018, 12:26 PM)Au165 Wrote: Haskins will end up being QB1 when it’s all said and done and we won’t be drafting high enough to get there. Next years class is way better than this one replace Marvin this year and get a year of Dalton with a new coach. If your still not happy you have a much better selection to work from next  season.

(12-02-2018, 12:38 PM)Millhouse Wrote: Anyone that breaks a major record in the Big10 held by Drew Brees should immediately be given some thought.

If he is there when we pick, I say go for it. He can sit a year behind Andy and wait until the following the year to start.

(12-02-2018, 07:26 PM)muskiesfan Wrote: I'd rather have Haskins than Tom Savage. Savage is about the ceiling of QB Mike Brown would sign in free agency. So as much as people want Dalton gone, I wouldn't hold my breathe on signing an improvement through free agency. It's going to have to be the draft. 2020 looks like our best chance at that.

(12-02-2018, 08:11 PM)muskiesfan Wrote: I get what you're saying but Core and Ross has to take the brunt of the blame for their play. I do believe better coaching could help Ross by trying to use him in other ways, but he has to shoulder the bulk of the responsibility for his play. Ross gives up on plays where he thinks he may not get the ball, he gives on plays when the ball is thrown to him, and he half asses other times as well. That's not on Dalton.

(12-02-2018, 10:08 PM)Whatever Wrote: Pryor and Cardale had better physical tools than Haskins.

No doubt he had a great year, but he's had a ton of talent around him, and as I said, a lot of OSU QB's start strong and then fall to earth.  I would like to see him return to school and back it up before I would go all in on him, as I would like from any other QB.  

Haskins could be the first OSU QB to become a franchise QB in the NFL, or he could be another in a long line of guys overhyped by the fan base.  I think it's fair to discuss the school and the coach's history particularly when the main reason we're having the discussion is because of the school Haskins plays for.

(12-02-2018, 10:22 PM)Synric Wrote: What's your guys stance on Tua Tagovailoa?  

Ohio State Alabama Georgia Clemson Oklahoma etc...these teams are always going to have a lot of talent at a lot of potions because they recruit well and players want to play for them.

That doesn't discount what Haskins has done this year. He has put himself in the first round conversation with HIS play.

(12-03-2018, 05:19 PM)Wyche Wrote: As you can see from my prior post, I totally agree about Urban Meyer's system.  It's kinda like RBs out of Bama, only Mark Ingram has really set the world on fire.  Their QBs are much the same as well.....I guess the last good QB was Stabler?  I'm not sold on their current QB either.....I mean, he has a great arm, and he looks really good out there, but he does often have time to check through 5 progressions, read his email, check FB, and then see if anyone has gotten open....lol.

(12-03-2018, 05:56 PM)Whatever Wrote: If you're going all in and trading up for a QB, it has to be the type of QB that elevates the players around him, not a guy who gets elevated by the players around him.  Often, with these huge programs, you get the latter, not the former. You get those game manager types.

As much of a deal is made about Haskins breaking Brees' records, I guarantee you Haskins has way more talent around him.  Brees had no choice but to elevate the guys around him, and even then, he didn't stick with the Chargers. He didn't enter elite status until he went to NO.

(12-02-2018, 09:11 PM)Whatever Wrote: I'm not trying to be a hater, but seriously, there have been these discussions for nearly every OSU QB since Troy Smith.  Smith, Prior, Barrett, Cardale, etc, etc. 

(12-03-2018, 07:06 PM)The Real Deal Wrote: For what it’s worth I have wanted exactly zero of those quarterbacks. Troy Smith was undersized . Terrell Pryor was never a good quarterback. JT Barrett was a good athlete but an awful quarterback. And Cardale Jones had a big arm, But he was dumb as a box of rocks. Drafting any of those QBs would have been a huge mistake.

Haskins is much different. He is unlike any QB Ohio state has ever had and to compare and label him because of past turds is close minded.

(12-02-2018, 10:08 PM)Whatever Wrote: Pryor and Cardale had better physical tools than Haskins.