(12-10-2018, 12:46 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Not sure what fans hoping for losses has to do with your last post:


We're fans. Not players. This post was definitely getting it twisted.

(12-09-2018, 11:33 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: 1. The one and only hope this team has is for Mikey to wake up and fire these bum coaches.

2. The best way to have any hope for that to happen is losing out.

3. I'm all for losing out !

4. But I know most likely nothing will change.

5. Where did I put my drink ?

(12-10-2018, 01:14 PM)XsandOs Wrote: I am also all for losing out, but hope you and I are in agreement, that we beat Pitt and knock them out of playoffs!

(12-09-2018, 10:22 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: This loss was, in my opinion, the absolute best case scenario for this team in this position with this record and this number of injuries.

Let's all take a moment to admit that there was no way, even if we somehow miraculously made the playoffs due to the failures of all the teams around us (which, by the way is made all the more unlikely because the Dolphins beat the #1 team in their way to securing the final playoff spot).

So winning this game would have done 2 things:
1. Made Mike Brown more confident in Marvin Lewis' ability as a coach, both defensive and head.
2. Ensured that we get a worse draft selection in the 2019 draft; a draft that could potentially be filled with talented but risky QB options (such as Herbert, Haskins, Jones, Grier, Lock and Murray, if he chooses Football over baseball). All these QBs have talent, but each has their own set of question marks that make them, arguably, candidates for falling ever so slightly in the draft. See: Mahomes.
If we're in the top 10 or early teens, we may have a shot at one of these players.

In the Chargers game, our team played well, showed their talent (especially on the defensive side against a very talented offense), arguably showed a large portion of the problem is play calling, time management and coaching and then lost just in time to preserve the draft position.

If we can replicate this over the final weeks of the season, we can finally get rid of Marvin (because there won't be one of those stupid "resurgences" like we had last year), find a new "hot" coach who sees the talent on our roster and is excited to build around it (perhaps Kansas City's Offensive Coordinator, Eric Bieniemy) all while maintaining a good draft position to potentially take a franchise QB (depending on how many end up declaring and are determined to be worth a first round pick) and the new era of Bengals football can begin.

I know the sentiment around here is often "We need to win at all costs because we're fans of this team. Rooting for your team to lose is very un-fan-like."

But I think there's a greater purpose here. Mike Brown will doom this team if they let him. We seriously need to remove Marvin, Hue and all their cohorts and start fresh. We have been stewing in this bland, tepid pool of Merv for anywhere between 3 and 8 years, depending on who you ask.

Set this team free. And maintain the chance of drafting a truly game changing QB while you're at it. Lose out and start over in 2019. The alternative is another year (or more) of Marvin or, worse...Hue Jackson...

(12-10-2018, 01:21 PM)Okeana Wrote: Sometimes in order to save the body, you must cut off an arm.  I personally only tune into games to watch them lose and laugh.  On a positive note, Mixon is everything I thought he was.

(12-10-2018, 01:38 PM)BengalYankee Wrote: Will you be happy if we lose to the Squealers or we potentially knock them out of the playoffs?
Let me help you out.
A real Bengals fan will hope we win and knock them out of the playoffs!!!!

Will you be happy if the Browns sweep us and their idiot QB can talk smack all off season and the Browns make the playoffs and the Browns sweep a division foe in how many years???
A real Bengals fan will hope we knock them out of the playoffs and we git our revenge!!!
  
Then we git a new change in coaching staff, but since we still have the same ownership.

We still will not draw free agents.
We will lose our own players to free agency.
We will not invest in an indoor training facility.
We will get a cheap ass coaching staff, that will be a yes man to ownership. 

(12-10-2018, 12:42 PM)jfkbengals Wrote: Dolphins, Titans, Rams, Giants, Bears, Lions, Buccaneers, Chargers, Steelers, Raiders, Jaguars, Colts.

All these teams have a HC who arrived after the starting QB.

Baker Mayfield and Aaron Rodgers will be the starting QBs for the Browns and Packers next season, despite that they are guaranteed to get new HCs.

So you clearly can't say that a regime change means that we will draft a QB.

(12-09-2018, 10:22 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: This loss was, in my opinion, the absolute best case scenario for this team in this position with this record and this number of injuries.

Let's all take a moment to admit that there was no way, even if we somehow miraculously made the playoffs due to the failures of all the teams around us (which, by the way is made all the more unlikely because the Dolphins beat the #1 team in their way to securing the final playoff spot).

So winning this game would have done 2 things:
1. Made Mike Brown more confident in Marvin Lewis' ability as a coach, both defensive and head.
2. Ensured that we get a worse draft selection in the 2019 draft; a draft that could potentially be filled with talented but risky QB options (such as Herbert, Haskins, Jones, Grier, Lock and Murray, if he chooses Football over baseball). All these QBs have talent, but each has their own set of question marks that make them, arguably, candidates for falling ever so slightly in the draft. See: Mahomes.
If we're in the top 10 or early teens, we may have a shot at one of these players.

In the Chargers game, our team played well, showed their talent (especially on the defensive side against a very talented offense), arguably showed a large portion of the problem is play calling, time management and coaching and then lost just in time to preserve the draft position.

If we can replicate this over the final weeks of the season, we can finally get rid of Marvin (because there won't be one of those stupid "resurgences" like we had last year), find a new "hot" coach who sees the talent on our roster and is excited to build around it (perhaps Kansas City's Offensive Coordinator, Eric Bieniemy) all while maintaining a good draft position to potentially take a franchise QB (depending on how many end up declaring and are determined to be worth a first round pick) and the new era of Bengals football can begin.

I know the sentiment around here is often "We need to win at all costs because we're fans of this team. Rooting for your team to lose is very un-fan-like."

But I think there's a greater purpose here. Mike Brown will doom this team if they let him. We seriously need to remove Marvin, Hue and all their cohorts and start fresh. We have been stewing in this bland, tepid pool of Merv for anywhere between 3 and 8 years, depending on who you ask.

Set this team free. And maintain the chance of drafting a truly game changing QB while you're at it. Lose out and start over in 2019. The alternative is another year (or more) of Marvin or, worse...Hue Jackson...

(12-10-2018, 06:53 PM)bfine32 Wrote: The next time I root for the Bengals to lose a game will be the first time I root for the Bengals to lose a game and I don't think it's happening anytime soon.

Would folks take back last year's season ending victory that knocked the Ravens out of the playoffs so we could move up a couple draft picks?

(12-10-2018, 06:53 PM)bfine32 Wrote: The next time I root for the Bengals to lose a game will be the first time I root for the Bengals to lose a game and I don't think it's happening anytime soon.

Would folks take back last year's season ending victory that knocked the Ravens out of the playoffs so we could move up a couple draft picks?

(12-10-2018, 01:22 PM)Okeana Wrote: nope.  keep losing at get the 5th overall pick.  last time we had a top 5 pick we got AJ green.  

(12-10-2018, 06:53 PM)bfine32 Wrote: The next time I root for the Bengals to lose a game will be the first time I root for the Bengals to lose a game and I don't think it's happening anytime soon.

Would folks take back last year's season ending victory that knocked the Ravens out of the playoffs so we could move up a couple draft picks?

(12-09-2018, 11:11 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Indeed you're a bad fan.

I live how everyone thinks they know how the scenario with Marv will play out and how they think they know what MB will do.

You want your team to win every game, period.

(12-10-2018, 08:53 PM)Awful Llama Wrote: Exactly!  Shaking my head at some of these responses.   And, for the record, that New Year's Eve last-second win knocking Ballamore out the playoffs was AWESOME.  The last thing I was thinking about in that moment was a draft pick in late April or if Merv was unpacking.  

I want Mike and Merv (and occasionally, some days, Andy) gone just as much as the next guy.  But, I will never, ever hope that we lose.  Root for a loss to the Browns or Steelers, in this lifetime?  You must be out of your damned mind.  **** Cleveland.  **** Pittsburgh.  Today, tomorrow and forever.  And, **** the Raiders and Gruden come Sunday!  And, I'll be there in person rooting for a win, regardless of our record.