(02-16-2019, 04:27 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: Technically, I think you could say Joseph turned them down. But, he was interviewed for the HC job prior to Taylor, didn't get the job and apparently wasn't interested in just being the DC here. 

Since Taylor was named head coach...

Allen re-signed with Saints.
Mutual interest wasn't there with Del Rio & Capers.
Pleasant reportedly has interview, but no info about it.
Grantham got raise and extension from Florida to return.
Glenn was blocked for interviewing.
Halfey declines because of his commitment to OSU.

So far, only one guy has actually been offered the job.

It's been reported that they have interest in Elko, Nolan and Manuel as well, but so far it doesn't appear they've talked to any of them - or put in a request in Nolan's case.

(02-16-2019, 06:22 PM)BengalChris Wrote: My point is that these guys are declining. Being out bid by a college team is a decline, the guy said no. The reason for the no isn't relevant really. The quantity of the no's is relevant and what is a bit alarming. A decline to interview is a decline, even though the team never got a chance to even make an offer. Of course we don't know that the team would have made an offer, as they had no chance to not make one.

I'll stay with my current team (Saints, Florida, Buckeyes) is a no.

These reports sure do make it sound like the Bengals made an offer to Capers:
https://www.cincyjungle.com/2019/2/6/18211119/dom-capers-declines-bengals-offer-per-report
https://247sports.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/Article/Dom-Capers-Bengals-defensive-coordinator-job--128832205/
 
Glenn being blocked is not a decline. The guy wasn't allowed to make a choice.

The other guys had choices, even if it was to not interview at all.


This is not hate on Taylor. Pointing out a red flag is not hate, just as pointing out Andy Dalton's playoff stats isn't hate on Andy. It's just what is.

 

(02-16-2019, 06:32 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: We don't know what reasons coaches have for declining interviews...

Allen was re-upped with the Saints, we didn't have a chance with him.

Capers is old, wouldn't matter what team it was.

Sorry having a hard time believing this team is just a disease no one wants to be apart of.

And i don't understand why some fans want to believe such.

(02-16-2019, 06:48 PM)BengalChris Wrote: You are correct, we don't know the reason for all the declines.

The Bengals as a team and organization is one thing. Taylor is the other. We know the Bengals and their defensive personnel pretty well. We do not know Taylor very well at all.

But, I have never seen a team have such a hard time filling a coordinator spot before. Has anyone ever seen this happen for a coordinator spot before?

(02-16-2019, 07:12 PM)McC Wrote: Since more than one of them were blocked by their current teams, that does say something about the level of guys they were targeting.

(02-16-2019, 07:21 PM)BengalChris Wrote: Yeah, but it's not the ones being blocked that generate the red flag, it's volume of declines.

I hope we find the right guy. I hope the problem is not Taylor or his personality. We don't really know him though.

(02-16-2019, 06:48 PM)BengalChris Wrote: You are correct, we don't know the reason for all the declines.

The Bengals as a team and organization is one thing. Taylor is the other. We know the Bengals and their defensive personnel pretty well. We do not know Taylor very well at all.

But, I have never seen a team have such a hard time filling a coordinator spot before. Has anyone ever seen this happen for a coordinator spot before?

(02-16-2019, 10:41 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: The homers aren't going to agree that all of these guys declining is a bad sign. After 27+ years of no playoffs...you'd think reality would hit them.

The fact is...other teams in the NFL don't have this amount of declines. It's a gigantic red flag.

At minimum we're targeting the wrong guys and not appropriately assessing our ability to lure a coach here as our DC. Like really, you think Dennis Allen would leave the Saints?

(02-16-2019, 10:55 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: I agree, it was a pipe dream to think they could lure Allen away from the Saints. Having said that, what's wrong with at least taking a shot -- just in case?

(02-16-2019, 12:30 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: True. It looks like we don't even know what system we want to run. If so, that's pretty pathetic.

(02-16-2019, 04:32 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Thank you for facts Holic, getting sick of the lies on here hating on our new HC...

(02-17-2019, 10:02 AM)Bronxbengal Wrote: I believe 3/4 v. 4/3 isn’t a major factor for the DC.  If everyone remembers Taylor’s wants from his coaching staff is they need to be aggressive, positive, teach and innovative.  


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(02-16-2019, 10:41 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: The homers aren't going to agree that all of these guys declining is a bad sign. After 27+ years of no playoffs...you'd think reality would hit them.

The fact is...other teams in the NFL don't have this amount of declines. It's a gigantic red flag.

At minimum we're targeting the wrong guys and not appropriately assessing our ability to lure a coach here as our DC. Like really, you think Dennis Allen would leave the Saints?

(02-17-2019, 10:02 AM)Bronxbengal Wrote: I believe 3/4 v. 4/3 isn’t a major factor for the DC. If everyone remembers Taylor’s wants from his coaching staff is they need to be aggressive, positive, teach and innovative.


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(02-17-2019, 04:00 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: You aren't helping spreading this fake news about all of these guys declining. All these guys either were blocked or were paid more by their employers or simply did not fit what Taylor wants.


Exactly and there are so many options in both facets of those Defenses. We would have to run a single gap 3-4 and it would be possible with a few additions. We can play a hybrid of this to go along with a 4-2-5 Defense and always transition to a 4-3 when it is plausible. Some act like it is just one or the other.

(02-17-2019, 08:10 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I'll ask you, IF the Patriots called Grantham and asked him to be their DC, do you think he'd go back to Florida?

Yes, Aaron Glenn was blocked by the Saints. That's even kind of out of the ordinary for a team to block an assistant from taking a higher level job. Probably because we tried to steal Dennis Allen.

A team with no playoff wins in 27+ years isn't exactly a preferred landing spot of coaches with a lot of options.

(02-17-2019, 08:10 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I'll ask you, IF the Patriots called Grantham and asked him to be their DC, do you think he'd go back to Florida?

Yes, Aaron Glenn was blocked by the Saints. That's even kind of out of the ordinary for a team to block an assistant from taking a higher level job. Probably because we tried to steal Dennis Allen.

A team with no playoff wins in 27+ years isn't exactly a preferred landing spot of coaches with a lot of options.

(02-19-2019, 08:35 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Probably not but that is the Patriots and Florida did give Grantham a raise...

The main reason we haven't won a Playoff game in that long of a time is mostly coaching.

This might change how and we have BEEN to the Playoffs quite a bit over the last decade, so we had our chances.

(02-17-2019, 08:10 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I'll ask you, IF the Patriots called Grantham and asked him to be their DC, do you think he'd go back to Florida?

Yes, Aaron Glenn was blocked by the Saints. That's even kind of out of the ordinary for a team to block an assistant from taking a higher level job. Probably because we tried to steal Dennis Allen.

A team with no playoff wins in 27+ years isn't exactly a preferred landing spot of coaches with a lot of options.

(02-16-2019, 11:02 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I'd say take a shot on 1 or 2 of them, but then you should have a guy you know for sure is coming.

It's becoming a national joke now and perception is reality. This could hinder free agents from wanting to come here.

My big concern is we're talking to 3-4 guys. 4-3 guys. It really appears there was no plan or if there was a plan it's being poorly executed.