(03-28-2019, 07:14 PM)psychdoctor Wrote: I will be somewhat nervous on draft day.  I think it is important for Taylor to hit several solid picks for the Bengals to have a chance to turn things around.  I have no ideal who they are targeting.  They may target White but Oliver would be hard to pass up.  I still think TE is in play.  

I fear they may select a QB which I understand but man, that would mean the season is in rebuild mode.  They need two backers even with the Brown signing and they need probably two OT.  I do not think they go CB at 11.

(03-28-2019, 07:31 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: If you wanted Hopkins over Price at that time i don't know what to say to you. It was the right pick even if Price got injured and didn't play the way everyone expected him to. He still has great upside and i know he will be much better than Hopkins. We needed a Center and we got one finally, he should be the answer down the road.

Disagree on Bush not being a 1st round talent as well. If White isn't there i would trade back and take him in the first no prob. If we ignore Linebacker early after only re-signing Preston in FA we will regret it. Tem has only so much talent to work with and this was by far the biggest weakness on this team last year.

We can get a decent RT in the 2nd round like Risner.

(03-28-2019, 10:42 PM)PlayadLc Wrote: I’m still going Oline in the 1st.

(03-28-2019, 02:54 PM)Ravage Wrote: It's actually 5 LB's, not 4 (see below). That's actually a decent percentage if you think about it. Excluding special teams (K/P), fullback, and generalizing S's and LB's into one position group each, there's 12 main positions for a football team to draft: QB, RB, WR, TE, T, G, C, DE, DT, LB, CB, S. So, over 30 1st round picks across 27 drafts (this'll be MB's 28th draft coming up) if all things were equal you'd figure for about 2.5 of each position over those 30 picks and 27 years, and they've taken 5 LB's. So LB's are actually double the expected rate and tied with CB's as the most frequently drafted position under MB. And we've seen at least one of each of those positions under MB (all drafts '92-present). 

QB: Klingler, Smith, Palmer (3)
HB: Carter, Perry (2)
WR: Warrick, Green, Ross (3)
TE: Gresham, Eifert (2)
T: Willie Anderson, Levi Jones, Andre Smith, Ogbuehi (4)
G: Zeitler (1)
C: Price (1)
DE: John Copeland, Justin Smith (2)
DT: Dan Wilkinson (1)
LB: Reinard Wilson*, TKO, Simmons, Pollack, Rivers (5)
CB: Jonathan Joseph, Hall, Kirkpatrick, Dennard, WJIII (5)
S: Darryl Williams (1)

* Don't forget, while Reinard Wilson was a DE in college, the Bengals were playing a 3-4 back then and switched him to LB just like they did with David Pollack years later. So they've taken 5, not 4 LB's. I remember that draft vividly because I was listening to it on the radio while at work and when the pick was announced it was "LB, FSU, Reinard Wilson" and I got pissed...in front of customers. Got in a bit of trouble at work for that pick. They flipped him back and forth but Wilson was taken to be a LB in our 3-4.
Or a CB...Jonathan Joseph in 2006 was the first 1st round CB the Bengals ever took save for the CB/S hybrid that was Rickey Dixon. And I remember Dixon as a S, not a CB while in Cincy.

(03-29-2019, 01:26 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I think size is the big concern with Bush. Has freak athletic numbers which is nice. Will he be able to shed blocks in the Pros?

If he can, he could be a really good LB.

I see him forecasted to play OLB in the Pros.

(03-29-2019, 01:38 PM)yang Wrote: ugh, aside from just linebackers this makes me wonder whey even pay attention to the draft.  Damn we suck at it. This explains all the years of abysmal play.    

All those pick and AJ Green might be the only possible HoFer.    A couple decent corners and lineman.  But damn.  It is weird how few DE and DT's we take as well.    We suck

(03-29-2019, 01:44 PM)depthchart Wrote: Yeah,  Devin Bush worries me some.

He ran a 4.43 forty at the combine at around 5' 11 inches tall and 234 pounds.

Malik Jefferson ran a 4.52 forty at around 6' 2 inches tall and 236 pounds.

Malik is a little slower yet is a larger framed man at 6' 2.

I like Devin Bush's speed but wonder how well he will adapt with his shorter stature.

I would probably take someone else at pick #11 that seems like more of a sure thing than Bush and that would probably not be a Linebacker (unless Devin White is there)

Don't want a Malik 2.0 experience with Bush using a 1st round pick instead of the 3rd rounder used on Malik.

I still have hopes that Malik will pan out though.

(03-29-2019, 01:51 PM)Hammerstripes Wrote: Huge difference between the two.  Bush has played at a very high level and has shown that he is an instinctive playmaker.  I never really felt that Malik did that in college.  He had some flashes, but it's like the light never really turned on for him.

The more I watch Bush, the more I think he would be a perfect fit in Cincy.  Sure, he's short, but he has the speed and awareness to cover tight ends and backs.  That's been the black hole for this defense for years.  That being said, I would still rather go O-line or D-line (or even TE with Hock at #11)

(03-29-2019, 10:18 AM)Hammerstripes Wrote: As usual with the Bengals, their needs are obvious.  So, if White goes at 5, I guarantee someone trades into the 10 spot to take Bush.

(03-29-2019, 02:11 PM)I_C_DeadPeople Wrote: I can guarantee that there are no guarantees in the draft

(03-29-2019, 02:17 PM)Hammerstripes Wrote: Hah, so true.....

But how many times does Lapham get on the radio and blurt about who he things we will pick and then magically......

Will Fuller goes right before us
Frank Ragnow goes right before us

Those are off the top of my head, but it's happened more to us than anyone.

(03-29-2019, 01:51 PM)Hammerstripes Wrote: It's cyclical for most teams.  Hell, even the team that's won the most Super Bowls in the past 10 years hasn't killed the draft.  I will say this, the Bengals have had some pretty good picks over the past years.   I read a long time ago that the typical roster turns over every 7 years - so you need to be able to add 3 staters in each draft to be successful building a team.  We've had a few like that, but the misses on Fisher and Ced REALLY hurt this team.



Huge difference between the two.  Bush has played at a very high level and has shown that he is an instinctive playmaker.  I never really felt that Malik did that in college.  He had some flashes, but it's like the light never really turned on for him.

The more I watch Bush, the more I think he would be a perfect fit in Cincy.  Sure, he's short, but he has the speed and awareness to cover tight ends and backs.  That's been the black hole for this defense for years.  That being said, I would still rather go O-line or D-line (or even TE with Hock at #11)

(03-29-2019, 02:23 PM)I_C_DeadPeople Wrote: More than anything that speaks to the team not doing it's homework on other teams draft needs. If they wanted Ragnow and thought the Lions may take him, they should have tried to jump ahead and given up on of those 'precious' mid round comp picks. But more times than not we sit back and wait to see who falls. I would prefer if they targeted players and moved up and down when needed in a more active manner. 

(03-29-2019, 01:38 PM)yang Wrote: ugh, aside from just linebackers this makes me wonder whey even pay attention to the draft.  Damn we suck at it. This explains all the years of abysmal play.    

All those pick and AJ Green might be the only possible HoFer.    A couple decent corners and lineman.  But damn.  It is weird how few DE and DT's we take as well.    We suck

(03-29-2019, 01:38 PM)yang Wrote: ugh, aside from just linebackers this makes me wonder whey even pay attention to the draft.  Damn we suck at it. This explains all the years of abysmal play.    

All those pick and AJ Green might be the only possible HoFer.    A couple decent corners and lineman.  But damn.  It is weird how few DE and DT's we take as well.    We suck

(03-29-2019, 12:28 AM)Whatever Wrote: Price should develop into a better C than Hopkins with time.  However, he was already injured when he was drafted and it was a stretch to think he was going to come in play at a high level.  In time, hopefully the pick pays off.  However, the point is that we as fans often overestimate what rookie draft picks are going to do and underestimate what guys that have been in the league a few years can do.

Yeah, I totally disagree on Bush.  In three years in college, he generated one turnover and has only 10 more solo tackles than assisted tackles.  He's a good blitzer, but that's really the only thing that stands out on tape.

(03-29-2019, 01:06 AM)Joelist Wrote: I'm not worried about Price yet. He missed preseason time with injury recovery and yes he had one badly blown block early in the Colts game. But for the rest of that game he looked good. Then he was looking good against the Rats but got hurt early in the game and missed that game and the next 5 - not good for a rookie trying to learn the most complex position on the offensive line.

As to this year I really do hope we go LB in Round 1 and OT in Round 2. I would even consider trading up to ensure we get the player we need.

(03-29-2019, 01:55 AM)Jakeypoo Wrote: There are a couple of sleepers at LB that you can get later in the drafts.

(03-29-2019, 05:52 PM)Joelist Wrote: I think it will be interesting to see how the league reacts to what New England did in the playoffs to teams that embodied the "lighter, faster coverage LB" craze - played power football and just blew them off the line of scrimmage. I suspect that we will start to see teams keeping some bigger LBs around so they can change out when power football comes to town.

(03-29-2019, 05:52 PM)Joelist Wrote: I think it will be interesting to see how the league reacts to what New England did in the playoffs to teams that embodied the "lighter, faster coverage LB" craze - played power football and just blew them off the line of scrimmage. I suspect that we will start to see teams keeping some bigger LBs around so they can change out when power football comes to town.