(04-01-2019, 02:03 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I know you weren't talking to me but 0-7 under Marv in the Playoffs is something you just don't hold onto. Marv had very talented teams to work with, so it was not like Mikey and company was just handing him trash. Taylor has a lot of talent here now and now we will see what an offensive minded coach can do with said talent.

The players were sabotaged by a defensive minded coach and a Line coach that the game had passed by. Not to mention the crappy Linebacker coach we had the last 3 years. As long as Taylor and his handpicked coaches are not sabotaging the players and themselves i think we will be much better than we were under Marv.

I usually don't agree with Fred but he is right, in the end winning changes the culture and the Offense should be better than last year with a better O-line and the Defense WILL be better with a new DC and new LB coach with better players and young players coming into their own.

We will see about the draft and if they get a decent RT and a stud LB....

This team should win more games than last year, bet on it barring being decimated by injuries.

(03-31-2019, 05:23 PM)bengaloo Wrote: We have All Pro's.

(04-02-2019, 11:08 AM)michaelsean Wrote: I doubt he's even a member here.

(04-02-2019, 11:21 AM)sandwedge Wrote: Who?

(04-02-2019, 09:11 AM)HuDey Wrote: To be clear my point wasn’t really “keep Marvin”, it was more along the lines of “if the coaching staff is the only thing that changes don’t expect much better than what you got with Marvin”.

At this point we don’t even know if the new staff is any better than the old and they will need to be much better to raise us up out of the fringe playoff team zone. I hope I am wrong but I don’t think that hiring a new staff to conduct business as usual is going to get it done.

(03-31-2019, 07:55 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Yep. I think IF we can beat the Steelers twice too. Or start out winning some big primetime games...that goes a long way.

IF we don't do those things, well it becomes much harder. The best time to change it is from the start.

(04-02-2019, 12:31 PM)Wyche Wrote: Bad thing is, Merv did that in 2009 and STILL shit the bed against the Jets in the playoffs.....but I hear Andy Dalton got blamed for this loss.....

(04-01-2019, 12:35 AM)XsandOs Wrote: The culture starts with the ownership, especially in a hands on ownership organization like the Bengals.

The GM, coaches and players have to function within that culture.

Now the Team environment, chemistry and morale can be influenced by a coach, but it only happens when it is accompanied with success.

It seems that Taylor is on a short leash and is being micro-managed. I just hope all this works out for the best.

(04-01-2019, 12:02 PM)HuDey Wrote: On the surface it is a huge change, but if the new staff has to work with basically the same roster and under the same Mike Brown restrictions or worse than Marvin worked under, how much is really changing?

It is still early to pass judgement but man it looks like the “same” that’s going on here is greater than the “different”. And to your point, if Taylor isn’t given the freedom to build his vision then we may as well have kept Marvin. And if Taylor’s vision is just picking up where Marvin left off, we hired the wrong guy.

(04-02-2019, 12:35 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I was at that game. Palmer was horrible, every throw was high or off target. Of course AD had yet to be drafted as you know. 

(04-02-2019, 12:36 PM)Wyche Wrote: It's hard to gauge with how the Bengals keep everything so close to the vest......but I just don't see it the way you guys do.  They have allowed him to assemble the largest coaching staff in team history, and are allowing him to pick his guys....for better or for worse.  It seems he's getting a bit of leeway to me.

(04-02-2019, 12:42 PM)depthchart Wrote: To me, if Zac is truly an Innovative Genius then he will DEMAND a Ton of leeway and be willing to walk if he doesn't get it.

Easy for me to say, since he would be walking away from a lot of money but most Geniuses likely don't allow their Genius to be harnessed by someone that tells them things that they know are not Genius ideas.

I agree with you that he is getting a bit of leeway but he may have to fight for much more leeway going forward to reach Genius level success.

(04-02-2019, 12:42 PM)depthchart Wrote: To me, if Zac is truly an Innovative Genius then he will DEMAND a Ton of leeway and be willing to walk if he doesn't get it.

Easy for me to say, since he would be walking away from a lot of money but most Geniuses likely don't allow their Genius to be harnessed by someone that tells them things that they know are not Genius ideas.

I agree with you that he is getting a bit of leeway but he may have to fight for much more leeway going forward to reach Genius level success.

(04-02-2019, 12:42 PM)depthchart Wrote: To me, if Zac is truly an Innovative Genius then he will DEMAND a Ton of leeway and be willing to walk if he doesn't get it.

Easy for me to say, since he would be walking away from a lot of money but most Geniuses likely don't allow their Genius to be harnessed by someone that tells them things that they know are not Genius ideas.

I agree with you that he is getting a bit of leeway but he may have to fight for much more leeway going forward to reach Genius level success.

(04-02-2019, 12:49 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: I think Zac will walk if he is limited or restrained by the Brown family. He's here to win. He has great references and knows football. In fact, walking is what I would prefer him to do. Sends a loud msg to fans (who already know) that the Browns desire to win comes with limitations and exceptions. Saying you want to win ad doing the things needed to win are two different things the Brown family have failed to put together. Kind of a put up or shut up scenario. 

(04-02-2019, 12:55 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: What evidence do we have that Zac Taylor is a genius?

He worked for Shawn McVay for 2 seasons so everyone attributes McVay's great traits to Taylor.

Sean Peyton seems to be indirectly ripping the Bengals and some other teams in this article:
http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/saints-sean-payton-rips-trend-of-hiring-young-head-coaches/1evfqvnxmxx331trb6ra6znci4

(04-02-2019, 01:01 PM)depthchart Wrote: He probably isn't a Genius.

He just got that label via being close to McVay.

I hope he is one though. He better be.

(04-02-2019, 12:49 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: I think Zac will walk if he is limited or restrained by the Brown family. He's here to win. He has great references and knows football. In fact, walking is what I would prefer him to do. Sends a loud msg to fans (who already know) that the Browns desire to win comes with limitations and exceptions. Saying you want to win ad doing the things needed to win are two different things the Brown family have failed to put together. Kind of a put up or shut up scenario.