(11-11-2019, 05:29 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: Marvin's brand is all over this team. Everyone believes that Zac inherited a powerhouse of a team and turning things around was going to be like some magic spell. The team has been a train wreck for three years straight. In the spring when the draft happens we get optimistic. Reality has kicked us every step of the way. With another draft and an upgrade in the assistants maybe he turns thing around . The truth is while maybe we would have one or two wins with a coach like Billichick but with the way things have shaken out we weren't going to the play offs. 

(11-11-2019, 05:41 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: Hell yeah, we would've had winning records in each of the previous 3 years if only Marvin had been coaching us. 

(11-11-2019, 05:37 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Without being able to peak behind the curtain of how the Bengals are ran...it's hard to know who makes what decisions. But, at some point...someone evaluated the tape from last year and was like 'We need to re-sign Preston Brown. Oh...and lets play him and Vigil in a 2 LB set. We'll be fine. We'll throw a 3rd Round pick at a LB too.'

At minimum, we need an offensive coordinator. We need defensive coaches fired. We need to sign or draft a star LB or two.

The thing that I can't get past on Taylor is the main selling point on him was that he was a young offiensive mind with a modern system. He's been a TERRIBLE playcaller though.

So then what other traits does he have that scream of him being a good HC?

re: The Zac being the OC. Being the HC of the Bengals means you need to be the PR guy. Scout. Gameplanner. Coach. And all the other stuff...

AND he decides to make himself the playcaller too! That's how naieve he is!

(11-11-2019, 05:53 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: Zac has a lot of learning to do for sure. 

As far as the selling point of his offensive prowess maybe not being the case, that happens with head coaches sometimes. Remember, Marvin's claim to fame was being a defensive and LBer guru, but it wasn't until Zimmer got here that the defense really became a prominent part of his teams, and the LBer thing was always problematic for the most part.

I do agree that he needs to turn over play calling and just focus on head coaching duties, and building his staff and roster the best that he can.

(11-11-2019, 04:48 PM)GodFather Wrote: I dont miss him one bit. Id rather be winless then put up with another one of his inept seasons.

(11-11-2019, 04:58 AM)TKUHL Wrote: People need to stop with this. Marvin is part of the reason this team is in the mess they are today. Marvin’s time was long over due. This team has 2 wins in the last 19 games!

I asked a question on here the first or second week of the season if anyone’s opinion on Marvin as a coach will differ depending on how this season goes. Just about everyone said no. Or said Marvin peaked as a coach, or were just tired of him, or Anyone but Marvin.

I’m not willing to call for the new coaches head just yet. The coordinators are a different story. We should be calling for Zac and MB to upgrade. We should be demanding better from MB when it comes to FA, drafting etc. and we damn sure better be demanding more than just a Marvin.

This team was bad last year with Marvin and other experienced coaches. You would really rather have Marvin back. Why? So we can be 1-8 or maybe 2-7. MB gave Marvin 16 damn years, the least we can do is give the new coach a couple.

(11-11-2019, 06:45 PM)BengalChris Wrote: You do know that you are knocking the only HC to have a winning record under Mike Brown, don't you?

Taylor isn't more than Marvin. He's a lessor coach, much lessor.

 

(11-11-2019, 06:52 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: He got 16 years (263 games) 16 drafts and nothing. Nine games and one draft . Aren't you fair.

(11-11-2019, 06:55 PM)BengalChris Wrote: Winning with Mike Brown in charge isn't nothing. And you are making a big assumption about the drafts.

Taylor hasn't even gotten an f'n win. Two losses to winless teams. LOL

Whole team has regressed and is playing worse. LMAO

Time for another change.

I'm going to start calling you Katie, because that is who I think is posting under your name.

 

(11-11-2019, 06:55 PM)BengalChris Wrote: Winning with Mike Brown in charge isn't nothing. And you are making a big assumption about the drafts.

Taylor hasn't even gotten an f'n win. Two losses to winless teams. LOL

Whole team has regressed and is playing worse. LMAO

Time for another change.

I'm going to start calling you Katie, because that is who I think is posting under your name.

 

(11-11-2019, 06:14 AM)Atomic Orange Wrote: ^Marvin also had Mike Zimmer, Jay Gruden , and Hue Jackson (when he was a good OC - don't know about now because nobody will give him a chance.)

Not to mention a couple of fresh young good draft classes.

(11-11-2019, 03:30 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I don't know that Marvin was a bad coach. It's hard to say. It's got to be pretty hard to win a championship for a Mike Brown owned team.

Marvin got the team to above average to good...but not great.

You see what Taylor is doing here. He can't even win a game.

(11-11-2019, 07:11 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: I think I will start calling you Debbie Downer. I know guys like you and Fred are to allowed curse and make personal attacks on others when guys like me get banned but I couldn't help it. I apologize in advance.

(11-11-2019, 05:29 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: The truth is while maybe we would have one or two wins with a coach like Billichick but with the way things have shaken out we weren't going to the play offs. 

(11-11-2019, 05:22 AM)BengalYankee Wrote: Marvin gave us multiple playoff years and the only coach in Bengals history to have 3 or more playoff years in a row. 
This team would not be 0-9 with Marvin this year. Although we needed a change at HC, and we have a horrible HC and staff including the Front Office. Don't F'n blame this chit of a team on Marvin. I have been saying for a long time that wanted Marvin fired, be careful of what you asked for because you may not like what you get. Presto, you got what you wanted a team that is well on its way to 0-16.  

 

(11-11-2019, 05:09 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: Seahawks , 49ers, Bills, Steelers, Ravens twice, Rams, all have winning records. The only games we really should have had a chance at were the Cards and Jags. The reality is the Bengals were coming off a season when they finished the season with a 2-9 record. The optimism was from all the returning players from IR and the draft. AJ went down first day and Williams the first rounder never saw the field. Things kind of snowballed from that point.

(11-11-2019, 09:54 PM)Pat5775 Wrote: Don’t forget, Marvin had several teams capable of going on a championship run and they consistently fell flat on their face in prime time, playoff and Steeler games.

Marvin was good at acquiring talent and coordinators, but he was not a good game day coach.

(11-12-2019, 10:46 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Agreed. Marvin failed in the playoffs and generally in primetime...

BUT, the failure to even win 1 game by Taylor is unprecedented. He's worse than Dave Shula.

(11-12-2019, 04:57 AM)Benton Wrote: I agree, we wouldn't be 0-9.  It we'd stumble into another 7-9 win season, maybe grab a wildcat spot and then get ready to draft 

I'll give any coach 2-3 years. Zac may have 16 straight losses, but that won't change my mind.