(12-05-2019, 03:39 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: And IF they hire an OC that calls plays because he failed in that role...it's a failure. He was hired as an offensive genius to usher in a new and modern offense. He would have failed to do that.

(12-05-2019, 03:42 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: The only evidence that they've 'bought in' is he keeps saying it over and over in press conferences so you believe it.

We see players like AJ Green that were supposed to return 1st half of the year not back. We see the Cordy Glenn concussion thing and drama that caused with Glenn seemingly having to be forced to return. We see what 5-6 DC's rejecting this job.

The main evidence of buying in is that the players aren't doing nothing on the field. Interestingly teams like the Dolphins and Redskins are playing better of late too.

I suspect players just play hard out of selfish reasons...in that they're working for a next contract rather than as some sign that they believe in Taylor.

(12-05-2019, 03:49 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I hear ya...it's hard to say that anyone is buying in on ZT after watching us scrape the bottom of the barrel and hire his flunky friends as assistant coaches, and that was before he broke records for losing.  If players and coaches legitimately buy into ZT we will see it this off-season.

The main thing is to recognize he's in a really tough situation but he's also responded by posting the worst record in the NFL so far.  It's like being given a car with a bad clutch and then driving it off the nearest cliff...sure the situation wasn't perfect but you really blew it, regardless.

(12-05-2019, 04:07 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Well, we won't know till we know. Tom Landry started 0-10. I don't like Taylors play calling, but I believe he has what it takes to be a highly successful HC. Part of that will be him recognizing he needs to let an OC call the offense. It may take him a minute, but I think he has what it takes.

(12-05-2019, 02:20 PM)PhilHos Wrote: I think it says a LOT about Zac's motivational skills that Dalton resuming starting duties with no animosity or issues made public AND that Glenn is on the field playing and seems to be playing well. I honestly didn't expect Glenn to see the field AT ALL after the issues we were having with him earlier.

(12-05-2019, 06:44 PM)BengalsRocker Wrote: I fixed it for ya.   :andy:

(12-05-2019, 11:28 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Taylor will become one of the winningest Bengals coaches. You heard it here 1st.

(12-05-2019, 07:14 PM)AlphaBengal Wrote: Not saying much given the sad state of our franchise.

(12-05-2019, 02:24 PM)depthchart Wrote: I saw it more than "heard" it since you wrote it but OK.


12/5/19 at 12:20 pm eastern time I saw it/heard it from Sled 21. 


Here is to you ending up being right. 

(12-05-2019, 02:33 PM)TJHoushmandzadeh Wrote: The glass half full analysis on the other hand would be that the stars seem to be aligning: in line for the no.1 draft pick at a time when they are ready to move on from their QB and the no.1 QB draft prospect is completing an unprecedented close-to-80% of their passes. The O-line is set to be reinforced by the return from injury of the best O-lineman in last year's draft, there's loads of cap space and if you lose your top WR this is the draft to do it in as it is deep as at WR.

If Burrow turns out to be that generational number that his numbers this year suggest, Coach Taylor has the best Head Coaching job in football.

(12-05-2019, 03:39 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Ida know...let's see who else is looking really bad right now:

3-9 Dolphins have Fitz and the gutted roster playing hard enough to try to screw their tanking plans and knock around some teams that are playing for their playoff lives, like the Eagles

4-8 Jets spent the early season with a 3rd string QB and showed some life and have a promising young QB doing what he can with a sub-par roster but may also have major coaching issues

4-8 Chargers and 3-9 Falcons have franchise QBs who may be done and/or HCs who could get the boot

4-8 Broncos also have a dead former franchise QB putting them behind the eight ball and are 1-0 with their rookie QB who reinvigorated them

4-8 Jaguars replaced an over-paid Foles with an underdog done pretty good story in late round rookie and odd name champion, Gardener Minshew

3 and 2 and 3 win Skins and Giants and Cardinals are attempting to show their rookie QBs have some talent and promise for the future

3-8 Lions stink like the Lions usually do and Stafford has a broken back and his wife had a brain tumor....geez.  also, their HC looks like Bluto and he loses just as much




So basically, almost every team that stinks right now (other than the Chargers and maybe Falcons) has some sort of "we're giving it our all" sort of narrative or glaring issues with their roster/coaches.  I guess you can look at us like the Skins or Giants or something but we have a HC who is in way over his head and drowning rather than playing like crap on the field...either way, are we that special?  Would anyone really give the Bengals some sort of participation trophy for how enthused they are about being 1-11?

(12-05-2019, 04:07 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Well, we won't know till we know. Tom Landry started 0-10. I don't like Taylors play calling, but I believe he has what it takes to be a highly successful HC. Part of that will be him recognizing he needs to let an OC call the offense. It may take him a minute, but I think he has what it takes.

(12-05-2019, 04:32 PM)HuDey Wrote: I think Taylor has it in him to be a good HC, but I agree that we haven't seen it yet. I think he came into a bad situation and was already trying to play catch up with filling out his staff etc. He has the stigma of working under Mike Brown working against him in FA as well as in hiring assistant coaches. He also inherited a largely lifeless roster who do not expect to win. He's fighting an uphill battle for sure, but if he can survive long enough and has wits enough to turn over the roster and make the proper changes to his staff, I think he could turn out pretty well. Odds are he doesn't make it without a significant change of ways by Mikey B.

(12-05-2019, 06:36 PM)BengalsRocker Wrote: Why does this statement keep coming up?

It's like saying "Hey, let's pick our franchise star QB in the 6th round and we'll be set for almost 20 years...  'cause... you know... Brady"

(12-05-2019, 07:55 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Yes - And a lot of the teams on that list have wins recently.

But, hey...we're 1-11 and PLAYING HARD!!! Take that haters! Zac is amazing!

(12-05-2019, 08:43 PM)JSR18 Wrote:
            Assuming that ZT gets another year, and I think he will. The biggest thing to watch this offseason will be: 1. Coaching changes (who he let's go and who he hires. No coaching changes = ZT is clueless and it won't matter what players are brought in / drafted...

(12-05-2019, 09:00 PM)Nately120 Wrote: A 1-11 team that is playing hard is either completely bereft of talent, or coaching, or both.  This is like bragging that you studied for weeks for a test and then got an F minus.