(12-18-2019, 06:26 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Well that's the reality though.
The Bengals organization is not a desirable organization.
The city of Cincinnati, while improved from how it used to be, is not on the same level as a city like LA, NYC, Chicago, Houston, Dallas in terms of appeal.
Ohio doesn't have the appeal like Texas, Tennessee, and Florida when it comes to no state income tax.
If the team cannot develop draft picks into elite players often such that they can always have great home-grown talent, they may have to overspend to draw in upper tier talent.
If they keep approaching the way they have been by bringing in mid-to-lower-tier FAs on a budget, they are 100% relying on the draft to solve their problems, and they are where they are because of it.

(12-18-2019, 11:06 AM)ochocincos Wrote: Curious to know what everyone would consider their worst case offseason scenario?

Mine is:
- retaining every coach
- keeping Andy Dalton and Cordy Glenn (big contracts with no dead cap if traded/released)
- tagging Green (big $$ that's all guaranteed)
- using up a good chunk of the cap space on all the above and the rest of the Bengals' FAs to use up most of the upcoming cap space
- still using the draft to get Burrow, a WR, and an OL to sit behind the above FAs for 2020, thereby essentially not having these guys see the field much in 2020 OR them seeing the field but now guys like Glenn, Green, and/or Dalton becoming high-priced backups.

So essentially I guess my worst case scenario is more of how the Bengals always operate?  

(12-19-2019, 05:11 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Guy is someone’s father, grandfather, etc, but hey if the team he runs doesn’t win enough games what’s his life worth, amirite?

Some of you people need professional help.

(12-18-2019, 01:22 PM)I_C_DeadPeople Wrote: Worst case  - Mike Brown is still alive

(12-19-2019, 10:37 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: Of the decisions that are actually up for debate (they aren't firing Taylor):

(12-19-2019, 01:46 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: HEY miracles can happen

(12-18-2019, 01:10 PM)ochocincos Wrote: You're worried of a 1-win team losing some of its players? At worst, they have one less win. Doesn't seem like a big deal to me.
If you say it makes them less watchable, I'd say I haven't watched this team after Week 5 anyway, so going Winless vs 1-2 wins doesn't really make a difference to me since I wouldn't be watching regardless lol.

(12-18-2019, 11:06 AM)ochocincos Wrote: Curious to know what everyone would consider their worst case offseason scenario?

Mine is:
- retaining every coach
- keeping Andy Dalton and Cordy Glenn (big contracts with no dead cap if traded/released)
- tagging Green (big $$ that's all guaranteed)
- using up a good chunk of the cap space on all the above and the rest of the Bengals' FAs to use up most of the upcoming cap space
- still using the draft to get Burrow, a WR, and an OL to sit behind the above FAs for 2020, thereby essentially not having these guys see the field much in 2020 OR them seeing the field but now guys like Glenn, Green, and/or Dalton becoming high-priced backups.

So essentially I guess my worst case scenario is more of how the Bengals always operate?  

(12-19-2019, 02:39 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: That plus adding taking Tua the injured QB with our first pick cause we win these last two games and lose Burrow in the process.

(12-19-2019, 02:04 PM)Hammerstripes Wrote: Yep.  Because if everyone is healthy this sure isn't a 1 win team.  Are there holes to fill?  Absolutely, but since we only use the draft for that, any loss is essentially someone we can't replace.

If we lose Hopkins, what do we do?  Put Price back at center?
If we lose AJ, then we have the same punchless offense.

I could go on, but it's imperative that we don't lose any guys on offense.  AJ, Boyd, Ross, Tate, Uzomah, Mixon and Gio are one of the best groups of skill guys in the league.  Add Jonah on to the line and there really isn't a need to bring 4 new linemen in.

A team that operates like the Bengals can't afford to let any of their players walk since they won't replace them.

(12-19-2019, 02:53 PM)ochocincos Wrote: At some point, if the team continues to be stubborn and not have the success you want them to, you know you can just choose to follow a different team, right? There's nothing forcing you to be a fan of the Bengals. You don't need to keep tolerating their ineptness if you don't want to.

(12-19-2019, 03:05 PM)Hammerstripes Wrote: Well, they aren't "inept"

They have had a long stretch of success, just not the ultimate success.  They've won divisions and made the playoffs fairly consistently before this last stretch.

Unfortunately I will never switch teams.  I'm more of a college football fan and the only pro team I watch is Cincy.  I also understand how Mike Brown does business.  That's why I feel that they can't afford to lose any of their own guys.

(12-19-2019, 02:51 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I'd rather roll the dice on Tua than go with some of these other QBs honestly.

(12-19-2019, 01:03 PM)I_C_DeadPeople Wrote: Then he should spend more time in his Lazy Boy watching the grandkids and less time being the absolute worst owner in the NFL and literally stealing money from both the league and the fans. 

(12-18-2019, 11:06 AM)ochocincos Wrote: Curious to know what everyone would consider their worst case offseason scenario?

Mine is:
- retaining every coach
- keeping Andy Dalton and Cordy Glenn (big contracts with no dead cap if traded/released)
- tagging Green (big $$ that's all guaranteed)
- using up a good chunk of the cap space on all the above and the rest of the Bengals' FAs to use up most of the upcoming cap space
- still using the draft to get Burrow, a WR, and an OL to sit behind the above FAs for 2020, thereby essentially not having these guys see the field much in 2020 OR them seeing the field but now guys like Glenn, Green, and/or Dalton becoming high-priced backups.

So essentially I guess my worst case scenario is more of how the Bengals always operate?  

(12-20-2019, 12:38 PM)bengalguy71 Wrote: What makes ANYONE think ANYTHING will be different with MB?

(12-20-2019, 01:27 PM)ochocincos Wrote: This isn't focused on us thinking Mike Brown will operate differently. If we think operating as normal is worst case scenario, then so be it. But my opinion is that if Mike Brown wants to keep operating as he normally does, it's going to take at least a few years to get back to the playoffs. Many of the fans don't want to wait around that long for that to happen. Heck, Mike Brown might not even be around when it happens again.

(12-19-2019, 07:21 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Completely agree, but to wish death on another human being because you don’t like the way he runs your favorite football team is gross.

(12-20-2019, 01:40 PM)bengalguy71 Wrote: He’s about money. He made the most in the 90s.

He could care less about what the fans want.

It is what it is.

Best case scenario is for the family to sell the franchise.