(12-23-2019, 03:27 PM)bambino5130 Wrote: Are the Bengals one player away from being great again?

Who is the best player available in the draft?

The Bengals rank at the league bottom in every defensive statistic in the league.

"We don't need ends.."  lmao  that is a a good one.

(12-24-2019, 12:42 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Wilkinson, Carter, and Palmers Bengals careers all ended badly.

Wilkinson and Carter are widely considered busts.

Palmer basically said that the current management who still runs the team is inept and forced his way out.

We have to take Burrow...but there's some risk in it. But, it's the right pick. But, our offensive system is bad. We had more talent this year than our production.

(12-24-2019, 02:08 PM)Deanlj69 Wrote: I don’t think it’s fair to call Carter a bust. I always think of him as a what if. The bust label is to widely thrown around. If not for injury he might have been a hall of famer. Indications prior to injury was he could do it all and wowed the team and other gms during camp.

In college he had no weaknesses.

Although if he hadn’t gotten hurt we probably don’t draft Corey Dillon the next year in the 2nd round.

(12-24-2019, 01:11 AM)whodeyfan1 Wrote: I hope the people in this thread saying he’s overrated and a “system QB” have actually watched him and not just making generic comments. If you have watched him, I doubt you’d be saying that. His accuracy is unlike any other college QB ever. How is that a “system QB?” His ability to scramble when the pocket breaks down and he runs for 15 yards has nothing to do with the offensive scheme. It’s 100% JB improvising and making something happen.

I’m not saying he will be a HOFer before he even enters the NFL. But there really isn’t anything else you could expect in a QB prospect. These people saying he has a weak arm are just reciting what they have heard pundits say on TV.

(12-24-2019, 09:09 AM)Benton Wrote: I wouldn't be shocked if we take a tackle in the first, take a shot on a second or third round qb and figure we've always got Dalton if that doesn't pan out in camp.

(12-26-2019, 01:17 PM)Deanlj69 Wrote: My scenario is a big if at this point and is dependent on Tua dropping to the late teens early 20’s but if he did...

I would draft Chase at 1 or trade down a few spots and go bpa (think Simmons at LB) then trade back into the first and take Tua

(12-24-2019, 03:52 AM)J24 Wrote: That's all we have up? Damn with the way the Hobson talks about he acts like we gave up every pick in the draft to get Carter.
 Also the guy that was drafted in that slot was a bad player who was remembered more for drug use than his NFL career.

(12-24-2019, 02:50 PM)fredtoast Wrote: With the first pick of the second round we won't have to give up much to jump into the bottom of the first.  The big bonus is that we get an extra season of control in the rookie contract.

BTW every year the player draft rankings change dramatically AFTER the college season is over.  At this point in 08 Andre Smith was the consensus number one overall pick in the draft.  In '13 Teddy Bridgewater was a top 5 pick.  In 17 Josh Allen was a late-first, early-second round pick.  So was Carson Wentz in 15.  The year Ryan Leaf challenged Peyton Manning for number one overall he came from way back at the end of the season.

There is no telling how all these guys shake out and who will be available late in the first round.

(12-26-2019, 01:17 PM)Deanlj69 Wrote: My scenario is a big if at this point and is dependent on Tua dropping to the late teens early 20’s but if he did...

I would draft Chase at 1 or trade down a few spots and go bpa (think Simmons at LB) then trade back into the first and take Tua

(12-28-2019, 02:25 AM)JSR18 Wrote:   I'm not trying to be an ass. I'm just really wondering why you'd pin a football teams future on a QB with a broken hip? 
               
                     Tua dropping to the late teens early 20's? He may not even get drafted...

(12-28-2019, 01:29 PM)Deanlj69 Wrote: That is a fair question but everything I have seen indicates there is no chance he slides out of the 1st round. I have seen nothing saying he wont be drafted. Where did you see that?

Medical evaluations  may change regarding his hip but as of now there seems to be no long term concern. The only concern medically thus far has been multiple injuries.

(12-28-2019, 07:23 PM)JSR18 Wrote:   I can't find it now. Which means it's probably been removed. You are correct everything I can find is saying late 1st round.

  I still have to question giving the future of your football team to somebody who has had 2 ankle injuries and a MAJOR hip injury going to the NFL where players are bigger and faster and stronger...

(12-24-2019, 02:36 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Several years ago I read a story by Hobson about the Bengal trading up in '95 to #1 in 1995. Geoff claimed that the Bengals would have taken DE Kevin Carter (All-Pro. 104 career sacks. Led league with 17 in '99) at 5 and RB Curtis Martin (Hall of Fame) at 36 if they had not traded them to get Ki-Jana.

So maybe that is why Mike Brown will never trade up again.

(12-28-2019, 08:54 PM)Deanlj69 Wrote: I agree with what you are saying 100%, he would need to be cleared medically and that is a big if. My original point was if you can sell high and get 2 potential impact players in round 1 as well as an additional 2nd round pick then it’s worth considering as the team has multiple needs.

This is all now a moot point as Burrow has 7 touchdowns in the first half. We know Mike Brown is never trading that pick.

Welcome to Cincinnati Joe!