(01-02-2020, 12:09 PM)Bengalstripes18 Wrote: Looking at the list, Burrow is the best qb prospect since Andrew Luck. Mahomes may be better, but he wasnt a consensus top pick coming out. Burrow is widely viewed as the best prospect. You have to take him, especially after your current qb got you two wins and put you in position to draft number one overall. Yeah, the offensive line is more to blame. But you just cant miss out on a once in 5-7 year qb prospect when he’s staring you in the face.

(01-02-2020, 12:43 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Please provide factual evidence this is true (Bengals wanted Ragnow) or stop.

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(01-02-2020, 12:58 PM)Hammerstripes Wrote: The move down in the draft was a great move. We picked up an established LT which was a huge need.

The problem is the front office's lack of savvy. When it got close, IF Ragnow was truly the target, they should have flipped a 4th rounder to move up 2 spots.

(01-02-2020, 01:09 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: How can you possibly say Glenn has worked out? Just because he’s been slightly better than the other scrubs (excluding Hopkins) on our OL doesn’t mean he’s played well here. Then there’s all the injuries, concussions, getting fined over not playing, etc. That deal has been terrible for us all around.

(01-02-2020, 01:20 PM)Hammerstripes Wrote: I didn't say it worked out, I said at the time it was a good move.  We slid back in the draft and in the process solved a major need.  The problem  was the injuries hit him and we completely missed on the next pick.

If we ended up with a normal Glenn and got Ragnow or Daniels, that trade looks genius.

(01-02-2020, 01:26 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: It’s not a great move unless it actually works out. That’s like saying Preston Brown was great pickup because it was a huge need, and he was coming off leading the league in tackles.

(01-02-2020, 01:28 PM)Hammerstripes Wrote: The trade back to pick up a starting caliber LT when you had Ogbeui was a great move.  You can't predict injuries.

Preston Brown was a poor fit here and everyone knew it.  

Given the same situation, I would make that trade every time.

(01-02-2020, 10:15 AM)RunKijanaRun Wrote: Wait, Burrow looks like a quitter? 

(01-02-2020, 11:16 AM)MEBengalsFan Wrote: What I dislike about Burrow is a more accurate Dalton coming out of college and college success doesn't mean he will have success in the NFL. If ZT passing scheme as the OC is for short to intermediate routes than Burrow will be an excellent pick; however, if ZT wants to throw it down field 20-30+ yards Burrow arm isn't as strong as other QB in this draft class.

I can see a few teams actually wanting Burrow and throwing whatever they have to get him. If the goal for the Bengals is to hoard draft picks to help build the team and another team offers 2+ 1st round picks and a bevy of other picks for Burrow you have to consider it given the many holes the Bengals have.

(01-02-2020, 12:42 PM)guyofthetiger Wrote: I just hope the Bengals have an open mind. Yes, Burrow would be a good fit. However, remember he has a great offensive line to work with. If a good trade opportunity comes about, at least consider it. I can see getting multiple first round picks and/or a slew of players for the first pick.

(01-02-2020, 02:05 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: We missed out on our guy we really wanted in Frank Ragnow, and ended up with Billy Price. Who is honestly in the running with Ross and Ogbuehi and our biggest bust in recent memory. There is no guarantee trading back will work out.

It’s inconceivable to me that I’m still seeing people talking about trading the #1OA at this point. I’d maybe understand if we were set with a young franchise QB already, and there was no unanimous #1 pick, but it couldn’t have worked out any better for us to finally bottom out in a year with a stud QB prospect coming out.

Please stop overthinking it so much. There’s no reason to get cute. Just make obvious choice and draft Joe Burrow. Period.

/end rant

(01-02-2020, 02:32 PM)bengals1969 Wrote: Which positions are strengths for the team?  My short list
1.  RB
2.  Pass catchers
3.  DE/DT
4.  Kicking

Which are mediocre?
1. DB's/Safeties
2. Center

Which are putrid?
1. LB
2. Oline

Lets say the Bengals do a trade with Miami and take all of Miami's three first round selections plus another 1st rnd pick next year, could they fix the putrid during Day 1?  Absolutely as they start with pick #5 and that could net a RT and the other two picks net a LB, guard or DB's/Safeties. 
So improved and allows FA to address the mediocre positions of which there are 4 or 5.  The Bengals still have the nbr 33 pick so a first round quality pick to go with 3 picks on day 1.
Go into 2021 with Dalton and potentially a significantly improved team which played the toughest schedule in the NFL this season.  Dalton has won a lot of games with a quality Oline hasn't he?

What if they stand pat could they still address the putrid?  Obviously QB does nothing for LB but could help the Oline with faster release and quicker decision making.  Top of round 2, pick 33, could definitely address LB or Oline but position wise almost as good as Miami's 25th pick.  LB looks to be a weak position in the draft but not Oline.  So by pick 33 the Bengals could have an elite QB and a better Oline with Jonah coming out as a rookie to join the nbr 33 pick.    FA is then out there to address putrid LB and Oline, same as the first scenario.

I'm kinda of hoping the Browns talk to Miami.

Is it worth it for the Bengals to make a trade with Miami?  

(01-02-2020, 02:39 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: You’re assuming all those picks you traded for actually pan out. 

(01-02-2020, 02:48 PM)fredtoast Wrote: And you are assuming that every QB taken #1 overall becomes a star.

(01-02-2020, 02:32 PM)bengals1969 Wrote: Which positions are strengths for the team?  My short list
1.  RB
2.  Pass catchers
3.  DE/DT
4.  Kicking

Which are mediocre?
1. DB's/Safeties
2. Center

Which are putrid?
1. LB
2. Oline

Lets say the Bengals do a trade with Miami and take all of Miami's three first round selections plus another 1st rnd pick next year, could they fix the putrid during Day 1?  Absolutely as they start with pick #5 and that could net a RT and the other two picks net a LB, guard or DB's/Safeties. 
So improved and allows FA to address the mediocre positions of which there are 4 or 5.  The Bengals still have the nbr 33 pick so a first round quality pick to go with 3 picks on day 1.
Go into 2021 with Dalton and potentially a significantly improved team which played the toughest schedule in the NFL this season.  Dalton has won a lot of games with a quality Oline hasn't he?

What if they stand pat could they still address the putrid?  Obviously QB does nothing for LB but could help the Oline with faster release and quicker decision making.  Top of round 2, pick 33, could definitely address LB or Oline but position wise almost as good as Miami's 25th pick.  LB looks to be a weak position in the draft but not Oline.  So by pick 33 the Bengals could have an elite QB and a better Oline with Jonah coming out as a rookie to join the nbr 33 pick.    FA is then out there to address putrid LB and Oline, same as the first scenario.

I'm kinda of hoping the Browns talk to Miami.

Is it worth it for the Bengals to make a trade with Miami?  

(01-02-2020, 01:30 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: I wouldn’t. We missed on getting Ragnow because of it, and we were forced to take another LT last year anyway.

(01-02-2020, 02:48 PM)fredtoast Wrote: And you are assuming that every QB taken #1 overall becomes a star while surrounded by a weak roster.