(02-25-2020, 04:16 PM)fredtoast Wrote: But adjusting to the speed of the game is not the only thing a college QB has to learn.

A rookie QB actually does learn a lot while sitting the first year, but since most top QB prospects go to teams that don't have a good QB the team has nothing to lose by allowing the rookie to "learn on the job".

A lot more rookie QBs start now than thy used to, but you still usually see a big improvement in the second year.

(02-25-2020, 05:12 PM)bengals1969 Wrote: Then there was Andre Smith and his man boobs flopping in the breeze during his sprints.  Tell me how the Bengals could pick him after seeing that?

Quote:Smith attended the University of Alabama beginning in 2006. He played for coach Nick Saban's Alabama Crimson Tide football team from 2006 to 2008. In his initial year at Alabama, he started all 13 games at left tackle, becoming only the fourth true freshman offensive lineman to start for the Crimson Tide.[9] Smith played at least 65 snaps in 10 of 13 games and played more than 70 snaps five times, while leading the Crimson Tide with 62 pancake blocks. He also scored a touchdown off of a lateral in the 34–31 Independence Bowl loss against Oklahoma State.[10] Smith earned Freshman All-American honors by the Football Writers Association of America.[11]
In 2007, Smith was a first-team All-Southeastern Conference selection, after starting every game at the left tackle position.[12] He was named Alabama Co-Player of the Week four times during the season.[12]
Smith was recognized as a unanimous All-American in 2008, as well as the 2008 Outland Trophy winner. He was also considered to be one of the best underclassmen for the 2009 NFL Draft.[13][14] He was also a first-team All-SEC selection and shared the league's Jacobs Blocking Trophy with Arkansas center Jonathan Luigs.[15] He led the team with 103 key knockdowns and added seven blocks downfield. He was penalized just twice and he allowed just one QB sack and six pressures on 334 pass plays.[12]
On December 29, 2008, Smith was suspended from playing in the 2009 Sugar Bowl,[16]—a game Alabama lost 31–17 to the Utah Utes—, reportedly because he dealt with an agent.[17] A few days later, Smith declared himself eligible for the 2009 NFL Draft, and at the time he was considered a lock to be a Top 5 pick.[18]
College awards and honors[edit]

• 2006 SEC All-Freshman First Team[19]
• 2007 AP All-SEC First Team[20]
• 2007 Playboy All-American[21]
• 2008 Outland Trophy[22]
• 2008 AP All-SEC First Team[23]
• 2008 AP All-American[24]
• 2008 AFCA All-American[25]
• 2008 CBS All-American[26]
• 2008 ESPN All-American[27]
• 2008 FWAA All-American[28]
• 2008 Pro Football Weekly All-American[29]
• 2008 Rivals.com All-American[30]
• 2008 Sporting News All-American[31]
• 2008 Sports Illustrated All-American[32]
• 2008 Walter Camp All-American[33]
  

(02-25-2020, 07:28 AM)guyofthetiger Wrote: I like Joe Burrow and would not be upset if the Bengals picked him first in the draft. However, I still think the Bengals should keep Dalton one more year and pick Chase Young as the top draft pick. The first comment is defense wins championships. Chase is a beast and would secure the defense for many years to come. I guess I am asking for patience in getting a QB later. Being a Buckeye fits right in with the team. Either way the Bengals go would be okay with me.

(02-25-2020, 07:28 AM)guyofthetiger Wrote: I like Joe Burrow and would not be upset if the Bengals picked him first in the draft. However, I still think the Bengals should keep Dalton one more year and pick Chase Young as the top draft pick. The first comment is defense wins championships. Chase is a beast and would secure the defense for many years to come. I guess I am asking for patience in getting a QB later. Being a Buckeye fits right in with the team. Either way the Bengals go would be okay with me.

(02-25-2020, 06:43 PM)scorp1974 Wrote: Well having Dalton next year would guarentee us the #1 again to get Trevor Lawrence.  lol

(02-25-2020, 05:15 PM)hollodero Wrote: I mean, the reason could be that it's really not about dorky names or manboobs. Just a thought.

(02-25-2020, 06:17 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Because "Boobs" could flat out play.......

(02-25-2020, 07:28 AM)guyofthetiger Wrote: I like Joe Burrow and would not be upset if the Bengals picked him first in the draft. However, I still think the Bengals should keep Dalton one more year and pick Chase Young as the top draft pick. The first comment is defense wins championships. Chase is a beast and would secure the defense for many years to come. I guess I am asking for patience in getting a QB later. Being a Buckeye fits right in with the team. Either way the Bengals go would be okay with me.

(02-25-2020, 07:40 PM)bengals1969 Wrote: Obviously.
The point is players get drafted using the best metrics a team can develop.  But it's no science, far from it, drafting is full of hunches, gambles and a feeling about a guy.  Even the sound of his name or how a guy looks running in shorts.  There is a lot more the later than the sciencey stuff in the NFL draft.

(02-25-2020, 07:42 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Someone forgot to tell Pat Mahomes defense wins championships...

Also, who cares that he was a Buckeye? I want the players that will give the Bengals the best chance to win a Super Bowl, not the ones that played college in Ohio.

(02-25-2020, 06:57 PM)jason Wrote: Hell having Zac Taylor damn near guarantees it.

(02-25-2020, 09:02 PM)caneyoufeelit Wrote: He won because KC's defense was a Top 10 defense. He doesn't win without it. 

(02-25-2020, 09:23 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: This is true, football is a team sport.  It takes all players and respective units on a team to work together, committed to the common goal of winning a Championship.  However, having a fantastic talent at QB does give a leg up to the entire offense, as that position is most capable of elevating those around them.

(02-25-2020, 09:28 PM)QueenCity Wrote: I mentioned this earlier but to piggyback off your post... Having a franchise QB keeps your defense off the field and fresh for the 2nd half. 

I'm not saying KC Defense isn't good but having the energy to finish the game pays dividends. 

(02-25-2020, 09:02 PM)caneyoufeelit Wrote: He won because KC's defense was a Top 10 defense. He doesn't win without it. 

(02-25-2020, 04:29 PM)hollodero Wrote:  If this gap isn't all that wide, trading down a few spots and possibly getting two other high picks for it might be a reasonable way to go.

(02-25-2020, 07:47 PM)bengals1969 Wrote: Nice history lesson.  Now I have one for you.
Search "Andre Smith, All pro" for a guy drafted #6 you would expect that kind of accomplishment.

Short history.  My man boobs observation was the better metric than all those accolades you listed.