(05-27-2020, 08:30 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: I think one of Dalton's biggest weaknesses (mobility and downfield vision while manipulating the pocket) is one of Burrow's biggest strengths.  Now, will Joe be able to feel as confident behind this offensive line?  I actually believe he will.  He made the LSU line look a lot better than it was, and I think the way he maneuvers around in the pocket will have a big effect on the receiving stats of the WRs, TEs, and RBs. 

Defenders hate to have to cover for any extended period of time, and that ability to buy a little extra time was something we rarely saw from Dalton.  Although, to be fair, in 2018 I thought Van Pelt had a huge impact on Dalton's abilities in relation to pocket awareness, but it didn't seem to last. 

I made the much-maligned "Tyler Boyd- Record Chaser?" thread to try and convey how the 6'1", 202 lb Justin Jefferson had a ridiculous 111 receptions and 18 TDs out of the slot at LSU last season and how the 6'2", 202 lb, Tyler Boyd could have that kind of season with Burrow largely because of how Burrow attacks the middle of the field.  

Burrow will take this offense to new heights.  I can't wait to see it.  

(05-21-2020, 01:34 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: I mean, you're accounting for poor QB play in regards to other positions, but it seems you're not doing the same in regards to QB play.

Meaning...

Look at the OL Andy had to work with those 3 seasons.  Could that not help explain why the numbers weren't as good?  At what point during those 3 season did we not have a well below average OL?  I mean, we're talking bottom of the barrel, among the leagues worst over the time span.

What about the loss of AJ Green?  He missed 23 of 48 games (48%) over those 3 seasons.  Could not having your number #1 receiver have something to do with a drop-off in production?

When you're stuck behind a bad OL and you're missing your biggest threat that's going to affect the QB play.
What about the rushinng game?  How much help were they, in taking pressure off of the pass game?

In 2017 we averaged 3.6 yards a carry, and only had 6 rushing TD's.  That's unbelievablely bad.  In 2019 we only averaged 3.9 yards a carry and only had 9 rushing TD's, which is also pretty damn bad.

What about the defense?  What affect does that have on the passing game?  Well, here's our team ranks in total yards allowed over that span...

2019 - 28th
2018 - 32nd
2017 - 17th

Call me crazy, but I would think a defense that is bad is going to put a tremendous amount of pressure on the offense, and as a result the QB.  This leads to a lot of time playing from behind, and being forced to make throws and call plays you may not if you're weren't constantly playing catch-up.

So now we've got a QB in Dalton, whose OL has gone to shit, whose #1 receiving option is often hurt, with a below average run game, and well below average defense... What QB thrives in that envioroment?  Show me a QB that doesn't see a decrease in stats knowing the above.

The fact of the matter is it is a team game.  Every position affects every other position.  You can't just blame one player, or not account for everything that surrounds the situation.

When Andy was surrounded by above average talent he was an above average QB.  When it was below average, he followed suit.  The reality is he did not just magically turn into a terrible QB overnight.  Nor was he suddenly magically among the game's elite in 2015. 

Andy Dalton was a decent and capable starter.  Not great, no. But far from terrible.  As the team became worse and worse his stats became worse and worse.  He has a 9 year career to disect, it's completely unfair to cherry-pick a 3 year window and use it to define his skill level. 

(05-27-2020, 08:30 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: I think one of Dalton's biggest weaknesses (mobility and downfield vision while manipulating the pocket) is one of Burrow's biggest strengths.  Now, will Joe be able to feel as confident behind this offensive line?  I actually believe he will.  He made the LSU line look a lot better than it was, and I think the way he maneuvers around in the pocket will have a big effect on the receiving stats of the WRs, TEs, and RBs. 

Defenders hate to have to cover for any extended period of time, and that ability to buy a little extra time was something we rarely saw from Dalton.  Although, to be fair, in 2018 I thought Van Pelt had a huge impact on Dalton's abilities in relation to pocket awareness, but it didn't seem to last. 

I made the much-maligned "Tyler Boyd- Record Chaser?" thread to try and convey how the 6'1", 202 lb Justin Jefferson had a ridiculous 111 receptions and 18 TDs out of the slot at LSU last season and how the 6'2", 202 lb, Tyler Boyd could have that kind of season with Burrow largely because of how Burrow attacks the middle of the field.  

Burrow will take this offense to new heights.  I can't wait to see it.  

(05-28-2020, 12:00 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Well said.

Said it before I could about the comparison of Jefferson to Boyd. Plus Boyd is a big 6'2" practically 6'3" and a crisp route
runner with great hands. Boyd has had some very good seasons with Dalton throwing to him, I cannot imagine how good 
of a season he can have with Burrow. Boyd is the one Receiver we seem to be able to count on health wise and he is clutch.

Mixon should also have a monster season catching the ball. Burrow loves throwing to the RB as well as the Slot.

(05-29-2020, 11:02 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: Throwing to our RBs is the single greatest improvement that I think will happen this year on offense.  Stupid to take Mixon off the field on 3rd down and just keep Gio in to pass protect.  Even if Gio was adept at pass protection and Mixon was not, they are better served attacking the defense by spreading them out with more targets.  Burrow is so quick and decisive.  This will be a huge improvement.  Sure hope they actually stick with that idea.

(05-29-2020, 11:02 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: Throwing to our RBs is the single greatest improvement that I think will happen this year on offense.  Stupid to take Mixon off the field on 3rd down and just keep Gio in to pass protect.  Even if Gio was adept at pass protection and Mixon was not, they are better served attacking the defense by spreading them out with more targets.  Burrow is so quick and decisive.  This will be a huge improvement.  Sure hope they actually stick with that idea.

(05-29-2020, 12:49 PM)jfkbengals Wrote: On third down last season, Gio averaged 9.2 yards per catch on 11 catches.  Mixon had 3 catches at a 1 yard average.  So maybe there is more to it than just pass protection.

(05-29-2020, 12:49 PM)jfkbengals Wrote: On third down last season, Gio averaged 9.2 yards per catch on 11 catches.

(05-29-2020, 01:30 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: This is because of the predictability 

(05-29-2020, 02:07 PM)fredtoast Wrote: So I am confused.  You are saying predictability is a good thing?