(08-04-2020, 08:33 AM)mikey6866 Wrote: Easiest decision ever. Take Lawrence trade burrow for a bunch of picks.

(08-04-2020, 08:44 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: I get maybe preferring Lawrence a little more, but there would be nothing “easy” about trading away a guy like Joe Burrow before he takes even a single NFL snap. Not after what he just did.

(08-04-2020, 11:34 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: To me that is exactly why you have to draft Lawrence.

Everyone said over and over, you can't trade the #1 pick if you have a chance to take a franchise changing QB. 

Well, no season means we don't know if Burrow is or isn't that guy. Is he the guy from his Senior year (sensational but hard to reproduce)? The guy from his Junior year (decent but not a top pick)? Or the guy that couldn't beat out J.T. Barrett or Dwayne Haskins for a starting gig at OSU? (Note, Barrett isn't in the NFL and Haskins is probably the worst starting QB in the league. Did OSU just totally wiff on Burrow or did he just have the stars align for a magical season and will fall back to middle of the pack. Solid, not super?)

None of those questions can be answered without a season. In Lawrence you have a guy that has lost 1 game in his college career. He wins when he plays bad, that is important in the NFL. How many teams play down to their opponent or have off weeks, the great QBs still find a way to win that ugly game.

Cards had Rosen, and never even hesitated to draft Kyler Murray, and it clearly was the right call.

The Bengals if given the chance should absolutely do the same. You are going to get atleast one elite QB from the two of them and the competition should make them both better. Whoever fits your style best and performs best you keep. 

As long as neither looks like Josh Rosen (lost and confused) you will get a good return upon trading them. 

Long story short, if the league gives you a chance at Lawrence, even with Burrow on the team, you pull the damn trigger. Hell, keep them both if you want, with the rookie contracts, and trade one for a ransom of picks when a team loses a starter at some point which always happens.

(08-05-2020, 12:15 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: I just can’t get on board with this. You’re never getting the full value by trading the player vs trading the pick. If their was any doubt at all whether Burrow is the guy they would have just taken Chase Young and hoped to land Lawrence or Fields this year.

(08-05-2020, 12:57 AM)Murdock2420 Wrote: I'm okay with not getting full value, if you get the right guy by drafting them both. 

A first overall nets a decent haul but never forget we got two first round picks out of Carson Palmer. 

If you draft Lawrence, they compete and you get the one that is the right fit after competition and then trade the other for 2 first round picks... that is still damn good value. Sure, you lose out on a 2nd round pick maybe in this exchange, but I'd rather lose the 2nd and know we have "the guy" that will lead us.

 Burrow or Lawrence, whoever wins it outright, but nothing would hurt worse, then having a chance at Lawrence, trading the pick and seeing Burrow be good, even above average but not getting the team to the Super Bowl, and seeing Lawrence lead another team to a title. 

As you said last year leading up to the draft, an elite QB can change a team, and when you get the chance to make sure you have one by taking the guy who set records and then a guy who has been hyped as the best prospect for years and letting them settle it on the field, how can you pass that up? 

(08-05-2020, 01:04 AM)Bengal Dude Wrote: There's speculation that Belichick is shadow tanking this season. Not necessarily going for the #1 spot, but getting a higher draft pick than what they're used to. If he loves Lawrence enough, then I see what they're willing to give up to get him.

(08-05-2020, 01:11 AM)guyofthetiger Wrote: I've got an idea. Trade the pick to New England to get Belichick. Coaches have been traded and this would help Burrow get better.

(08-05-2020, 01:10 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: I seriously doubt anyone will be worse than JAX.

(08-05-2020, 01:14 AM)Murdock2420 Wrote: What?? You doubt the magic of the moustache?? 

(08-05-2020, 01:07 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Actually seeing Burrow go somewhere else and win a Super Bowl and pick up right where he left off in college while Trevor Lawrence became yet another QB who couldn’t get us over the hump would absolutely hurt worse. If Trevor has the better career so be it, but Joe is our guy, and it would be very hard to live with giving up on him prematurely. It could end being like Tampa giving up on Steve Young.

And far as the Palmer trade? Hue done ****** up with that one.

(08-04-2020, 08:13 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Drew Brees is not one of the 3 best QB’s right now. There’s not a team in the league that would currently take him over Lamar Jackson.

And for the record I’m not saying always take the bigger guy, but if it’s close between 2 QB’s it could be a factor.

(08-05-2020, 04:33 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: By what possible QB metric?


2019-2020
Drew Brees (26 starts): 74.7% Completion... 6,971 yards (8.0 YPA)... 59 TD/9 INT... QB Rating roughly 116.0
Lamar Jackson (22 starts): 63.7% Completion... 4,324 yards (7.6 YPA)... 42 TD/9 INT... QB Rating 104.7

Sure if you asked someone who you'd want over the next 3-5 years then Jackson is the choice due to age, but right this second Drew Brees is playing QB at just an absurd level. Dude is completing essentially 3 out of every 4 passes he attempts and he's doing it with a good-not-great defense and running game.

That's not even touching the concerning difference in performance Jackson's turned in the last two playoffs.
51.1% Completion... 3 TD/3 INT... 6.4 YPA... 68.3 QB Rating

(08-04-2020, 08:33 AM)mikey6866 Wrote: Easiest decision ever.  Take Lawrence trade burrow for a bunch of picks.

(08-04-2020, 11:34 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: To me that is exactly why you have to draft Lawrence.

(08-05-2020, 02:31 PM)Synric Wrote: Don't buy into the 5 star hype (pre-draft year media) until you put the player under the microscope.

 I haven't broken down Lawrence specifically yet but I do know he was not as accurate as Tua or Burrow. He also has played in only around 3 games vs tough opponents. Lawrence looked like a future hall of fame guy vs Alabama but was mediocre against Ohio State and below average vs LSU. I do know he has the build and arm of a prototypical QB.