(12-27-2020, 07:34 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I would think that how free agency goes will determine if it's Lawson or WJ3 who is kept.  I feel strongly that ONE of them will be retained with a healthy contract, the other will be off to market.  Whichever one leaves will likely also determine which way the Bengals go in the draft.

(12-27-2020, 07:41 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: I'd tend to agree. But i can see a scenario where, through releasing a couple key vets, they're able to retain Lawson and WJ3. That's what's going to make it interesting, who re-signs and who's available. We all have guys that we think needs to go, going to be interesting to see who the Bengals think needs to go. 

(12-27-2020, 07:06 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: If a couple season ending wins does more to hurt the team next year, than help it...what good is winning?

That's the midset behind losing out. It doesn't make someone less a fan or pathetic, it's someone wanting a result that will possibly lead to imporvement. 

(12-27-2020, 07:35 PM)Synric Wrote: Need is a tricky question.

Defensive and Offensive line as equal as it gets... Sam Hubbard is a solid strong side end but the Bengals need a game changing defensive lineman. Hubbard was at his best as a rusher inside next to Dunlap in 2019 that's where I would project him in 2021.

Its who is the top of the Big Board trenches wise for the Bengals at this point.

(12-27-2020, 07:47 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Personally, I don't feel like WJ3 has ever completely lived up to 1st round draft pick status, while I feel that when not injured, Carl Lawson has been very impressive given his 3rd round draft status.  On a pure talent at respective position point of view, I'd lean toward making a greater effort to retain Lawson, and make a respectable, yet not over the top offer to Jackson.

(12-27-2020, 07:48 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: Because in those "meaningless" wins guys like Bates, Boyd, Higgins, Pratt, etc... these guys are progressing and playing with more confidence that is what winning does. It helps the team... helps the players.

Drafting #3 means nothing when you watch Bates, Lawson and others leave town tired of losing and have to keep replacing them. Players want to win. It's simple. So these wins meaningless to you might show a light at the end of the tunnel that gets Lawson to consider staying. 

That is more important than 3rd pick.

Plus the Jets are most likely going to keep Darnold and go Sewell, so wins don't hurt.

(12-27-2020, 07:09 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: I know you have to know that Fields not playing well in the regular season doesn't mean much at all after the combine and how teams look at young, athletic franchise QBs. When you're on the clock, the last thing you're going to worry about is a couple season ending college games. 

(12-27-2020, 07:58 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: I'm 100% on board with the trenches. I see that as a by-the-book plan, and a good one. Here is where my question lies. How often do you have a Rousseau, Hubbard, Lawson line in there opposed to Parsons being in every down?

Maybe i'm overthinking it? Maybe i'm assuming that Hubbard/Lawson will get enough pressure to allow a pick like Parsons. He's shown an ability to get pressure up the middle but how much do you want him rushing the passer? Penn St sent him a lot. 

I'm kind of thinking that if we're going to lose out on a "generational talent" in Sewell, i'd rather get another one at another position and Parsons fits that mold (projected), while Rousseau falls a bit short of it. 

Hopefully, that wasn't too many questions. lol

(12-27-2020, 06:17 PM)GreenCornBengal Wrote: There is no guarantee that Sewell will even be a success in the NFL. He could get in a car crash or break his leg snowmobiling before the draft.

(12-27-2020, 07:19 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Meh, enough with the fanboy talk.  He's a little light for TE in the pros, and not fast enough to convert to WR.  If we were a team committed to a 2TE base offensive set, then maybe he would be worth taking with that high of a pick.

The Bengals football team doesn't NEED skill position players anywhere close to matching the need they have for fundamental blocking and tackling players.  In my view the hierarchy of needs this year is OL, DL, and CB.  Using a top 5 pick on a skill position player would be wasteful, luxury spending, in my opinion.

(12-27-2020, 07:09 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: I know you have to know that Fields not playing well in the regular season doesn't mean much at all after the combine and how teams look at young, athletic franchise QBs. When you're on the clock, the last thing you're going to worry about is a couple season ending college games. 

(12-27-2020, 09:07 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/floridas-kyle-pitts-is-an-nfl-tight-end-in-a-college-uniform/

(12-27-2020, 07:39 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: How did I prove you "right"?

The last two times that the Bengals spent 1st round picks on TEs, neither one panned out to perennial All Pro level careers.  Gresham always had drop and false start issues, Eifert spent more time on IR and only produced one "special" season.

(12-27-2020, 06:41 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: This fanbase is just terrible.

If we lose, everyone bitches about how we lost.

If we lose, the entire staff needs to be gone, no road wins, need to win 5 games to even be considered keeping any of them.

So... the team wins.

Now it's we can't win it hurts our draft position.

We won, but we beat teams that didn't care.

We won, but we've done this before at the end of bad seasons.


So, you want to stop losing? The only 100% certain way to stop losing is to... surprise... start winning. The team won 2 in a row without the three biggest offensive weapons. 

Who cares about Penei. Every draft site says the same thing, he is raw. He needs to be coached up to be successful at the NFL level. 

Last I looked, Jim Turner was our OL coach. You can guess, hope, pray and cry that he needs to be gone (and he does) but you have to live in the real world.

Real world, he is still the O-line coach. Real world Mike Brown doesn't care what you think. So until Turner is fired, Sewell is not the right pick for this team. They need to draft an O-lineman who doesn't need to be coached up and is labeled raw.

I'll take the wins, and if they beat Baltimore to finish on a winning streak even better. The guy from Northwestern looks solid, the guys who will be back Bates, Bell, Hubbard, Pratt, Higgins, Gio are all playing really hard. Learning to win, goes a long way.

All this crying and bitching... it's pathetic. Sad we were losing, then sad with how we lost, not can't even enjoy the team starting to look better. Who knows if it carries over to next year but I prefer seeing wins over loses. 

(12-27-2020, 09:13 PM)QueenCity Wrote: My question is this with even reading the article... Is Pitts being used like an actual TE or is he a WR?
 
Heres some highlights looks like on a lot of his big plays he lining up outside...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf0L7tkC5GI&ab_channel=RSHighlights

I do like the Darren Waller comparison someone made in the video