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TDN: Blame Game Cincinnati Bengals - Synric - 01-06-2021 https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/2020-cincinnati-bengals-blame-game Quote:The Cincinnati Bengals came into the 2020 season knowing that they were probably still a year or two away from seriously competing for a playoff spot in the AFC. Coming off of a 2019 season that saw them finish 2-14, the worst record in the NFL, the team hoped to be more competitive with the new talent that was brought in both from free agency and the NFL draft. RE: TDN: Blame Game Cincinnati Bengals - wildcatnku24 - 01-06-2021 (01-06-2021, 04:43 PM)Synric Wrote: https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/2020-cincinnati-bengals-blame-game But we can't use injuries as an excuse.... Good coaching can apparently take and entire team of practice squad players and win big. oh, and RE: TDN: Blame Game Cincinnati Bengals - Sled21 - 01-06-2021 Kind of what some of the minority of us have been saying. Too many injuries to overcome this year. RE: TDN: Blame Game Cincinnati Bengals - XenoMorph - 01-06-2021 my order is reversed good coaching can help many of those other things besides injuries (although even some of those might have been avoided) RE: TDN: Blame Game Cincinnati Bengals - impactplaya - 01-06-2021 Hubbard needs to really step.bis game up in 2021.'he has regressed In his ability to get to the QB. Hes not a game changer by any means RE: TDN: Blame Game Cincinnati Bengals - TecmoBengals - 01-06-2021 (01-06-2021, 05:01 PM)wildcatnku24 Wrote: But we can't use injuries as an excuse.... Good coaching can apparently take and entire team of practice squad players and win big. The idea is that all teams can use the injury excuse because it is a violent game where a lot of NFL players get hurt; therefore, the injury excuse should not be over used when discussing organizational shortcomings. Blaming injuries might suggest that the team would have been great without the injuries. I'm a Joe Burrow fanboy and think we have something special, but even if he didn't get hurt the team was still going to have a losing record. Would the injury card have still been played if Burrow was healthy and maybe the same for DJ Reader? This article offered an interesting perspective as to why the injury excuse shouldn't be uttered a certain way. Kind of like how it was phrased the way Brown did in his bullish letter of support for Zac: https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/playing-the-injury-card-always-a-poor-excuse/1o9ecwcrbbo8i1n1ygcomiblmt Quote:What these teams should really be saying is "We weren't good enough or deep enough to overcome the injuries we suffered" because that is the fact of the matter. Injuries really aren't an excuse, You might not agree with the opinion, but it is easy to understand and not something to readily dismiss. RE: TDN: Blame Game Cincinnati Bengals - CJD - 01-06-2021 Coaching. And the paragraph about coaching may as well have been written by me. It's exactly how I feel about the way Zac handled Burrow. Reckless. RE: TDN: Blame Game Cincinnati Bengals - Wes Mantooth - 01-06-2021 The injury excuse would be a lot more valid if we were winning prior to the majority of those players going down. We were 2-6-1 with Joe Burrow and Jonah Williams both playing. We were 1-4-1 with Joe Burrow, Jonah Willaims, and Joe Mixon all playing. We were 1-3-1 with Joe Burrow, Jonah Williams, Joe Mixon, and DJ Reader all playing. I know I'm not the first to bring this up, and I'm not trying to beat a dead horse. But this is something people continually choose to ignore. You can't say, "well were bad because we were without Joe Burrow" when we were bad with Joe Burrow. And that goes for everyone else I just listed above. It's not like we were seeing a significant difference in success (W/L's) with guys that was immediately altered when they went down. Do injuries matter? Sure. Would we have been better had they not incurred? Probably. But it's not like this is some 10 win team if Burrow and Mixon, and whoever manage to stay healthy. And let's be honest, if it takes your entire starting lineup to remain fully healthy and intact for you to succeed, then that's just further proof you team isn't very good. That amount of luck doesn't exist in this league. Every team can play the "what if?" game. This team wasn't a good football team. Period. Those who immediately run to the injury excuse (like they did last year, and the year before that, and the year before that) are only looking for reasons to rationalize something they don't want to admit. That we stink. RE: TDN: Blame Game Cincinnati Bengals - bfine32 - 01-06-2021 bfine does not like this wording: Quote:Burrow was having one of the better rookie seasons we had ever seen, and proved to be well worth the No. 1 overall pick. His injury was crippling,As to the rest:good read. Thanks for sharing. RE: TDN: Blame Game Cincinnati Bengals - t3r3e3 - 01-06-2021 (01-06-2021, 05:32 PM)impactplaya Wrote: Hubbard needs to really step.bis game up in 2021.'he has regressed He never was. Hubbard profiles more as a 3-4 end, and his limited athleticism and explosion limit his pass rushing capabilities. RE: TDN: Blame Game Cincinnati Bengals - wildcatnku24 - 01-06-2021 (01-06-2021, 05:49 PM)t3r3e3 Wrote: He never was. Hubbard profiles more as a 3-4 end, and his limited athleticism and explosion limit his pass rushing capabilities. I also suspect that not having interior D-line pressure is allowing offenses to ensure that our ends don't have their way. In previous years, Geno got two people assigned to him at all times. RE: TDN: Blame Game Cincinnati Bengals - SladeX - 01-06-2021 Goddamn it. The injury to Burrow was self inflicted. Coaching malpractice. RE: TDN: Blame Game Cincinnati Bengals - wildcatnku24 - 01-06-2021 (01-06-2021, 05:39 PM)TecmoBengals Wrote: The idea is that all teams can use the injury excuse because it is a violent game where a lot of NFL players get hurt; therefore, the injury excuse should not be over used when discussing organizational shortcomings. I do actually agree, was just being silly was all. It definitely affected our W/L category, but to what extent is pure speculation. I'd really just like to not have to wonder for once. Next year we need to be healthy. If we suck (which we won't), then at least we can't wonder what if. At this point, laughter is the best medicine for what's been a tragic couple years of losing. RE: TDN: Blame Game Cincinnati Bengals - Yojimbo - 01-06-2021 Coaches are directly responsible for the Oline and the pass rush, so... RE: TDN: Blame Game Cincinnati Bengals - wildcatnku24 - 01-06-2021 (01-06-2021, 06:07 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: Coaches is directly responsible for the Oline and the pass rush, so... Players are definitely not responsible for their performance. RE: TDN: Blame Game Cincinnati Bengals - Yojimbo - 01-06-2021 (01-06-2021, 05:49 PM)t3r3e3 Wrote: He never was. Hubbard profiles more as a 3-4 end, and his limited athleticism and explosion limit his pass rushing capabilities. Disagree. He profiles as a LE in a 4-3. RE: TDN: Blame Game Cincinnati Bengals - fredtoast - 01-06-2021 It is wrong to say that the Bengals problems this year were caused by injuries. But it is also silly to say that injuries do not effect how many games teams win. Lots of good teams have had their season derailed by too many big injuries. RE: TDN: Blame Game Cincinnati Bengals - Yojimbo - 01-06-2021 (01-06-2021, 06:08 PM)wildcatnku24 Wrote: Players are definitely not responsible for their performance. Coaches pick what player plays and what their assignments are. Picking the wrong players and implementing a bad scheme is not on the players. RE: TDN: Blame Game Cincinnati Bengals - XenoMorph - 01-06-2021 (01-06-2021, 06:08 PM)wildcatnku24 Wrote: Players are definitely not responsible for their performance. they are but its the coaches job to teach them to be better and put them in the best position to succeed.... Bad Pass blocking OL does not equal 40+ pass attempts a game. especially no long developing routes RE: TDN: Blame Game Cincinnati Bengals - Bernards watch - 01-06-2021 While injuries wouldnt normally be an excuse, I did check and 8 of the top 10 paid players were out for various reasons. While they should be doing better, this would derail probably every team |