(06-21-2021, 03:55 PM)fortyyearfan Wrote: My opinion,I believe he is just not strong enough,does not have the muscle mass it takes to play at a very high level,he gets man-handled a ton and will get hurt again. some of these D-lineman are just huge and very strong and they push him around a ton.He is always being pushed off his position and has to continue to run around joe keeping the D from killing him. I would put someone else in the spot.LT is a premier Position.

(06-22-2021, 12:31 PM)PDub80 Wrote: Cannot argue that.... But what I will stand firm on is that Joey B deserves better and the Bengals should strive for better. JW deserves time and a 4-5 year window to get to that level. If not, I feel like a different solution should be found as that time frame ends.

(06-22-2021, 10:01 AM)Essex Johnson Wrote: No doubt big year for Jonus needs to stay healthy and perform as a top end tackle or we could lead bengals to start thinking to make a change next year or 2.

(06-22-2021, 01:46 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: That's been my complaint about things. If they were set on Chase then I wish they'd have gone harder on the line in FA. Get Reiff for 3 years if he is the plan, and I like Spain, he is decent but why do we always except decent with the cap space still available? Could have really upgraded the line like other teams did, get Reiff, sign a proven guard that wasn't a stopgap and I like Hopkins, but there were some good centers available in FA this off-season that would have been nice to add like Linsley.

Jonah, Zeitler, Linsley, Carman, Reiff would be a nice wall up front with XSF, Hopkins backing up the inside would still like to see a little more depth on the outside.

(06-22-2021, 02:18 PM)GreenCornBengal Wrote: One thing to consider (and there isn’t a way of really knowing as a fan) is that it takes two to tango. Who is to say they didnt reach out to Zietler and even offer a larger contract than the Ravens? There is a lot of factors for free agents and if winning and playoffs are important to a player, the Bengals might not be the right fit right now.

Let’s face it, Cincinnati is not an ideal destination for a lot of guys. It takes a LOT of money in some cases (see Waynes and Reader) to get these guys in the building. We are going to need money down the road for Bates, Joe Burrow and some other guys like Jonah/Higgins/Chase so we can’t go spend crazy.

IMO, Zac needs to prove that what he has built here can have sustainable success, then the free agents will be easier to land.

(06-22-2021, 02:25 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: This is true, it does take two, but have to think that the Bengals would be viewed along the same lines as the Chargers and they were able to get line help specifically Corey Linsley who left the Packers and their consistent success for a rookie HC and a 2nd year QB.

As for needing money later, with the big jump in the cap next season, there shouldn't be any issue getting extensions done. 

(06-21-2021, 03:05 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: Were you upset we didn't pick up Price's option?  What about Ogbuehi's?  (Fwiw, I'm not saying these are equal comparisons but I think it puts a hole in you "no matter what" argument.)

I don't think that because a player plays a particular position that they should be guaranteed an option year.  It should be a case by case basis.  Either they're worth the investment or they're not.  And if Williams misses more time I think it would be insane to fully guarantee his last two years of his deal, and to set his market at 11 mil + for 2023.

To each their own, but I think this dude has a lot to prove this year to warrant that type of commitment two years in advance. 

(06-22-2021, 01:46 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: That's been my complaint about things. If they were set on Chase then I wish they'd have gone harder on the line in FA. Get Reiff for 3 years if he is the plan, and I like Spain, he is decent but why do we always except decent with the cap space still available? Could have really upgraded the line like other teams did, get Reiff, sign a proven guard that wasn't a stopgap and I like Hopkins, but there were some good centers available in FA this off-season that would have been nice to add like Linsley.

Jonah, Zeitler, Linsley, Carman, Reiff would be a nice wall up front with XSF, Hopkins backing up the inside would still like to see a little more depth on the outside.

(06-23-2021, 01:34 AM)sandwedge Wrote: I fail to understand what difference it makes how long Reiff's contract is? 1 yr or 3 yrs, does it make a difference? He's here. 
They invested in alot of positions on defense, I don't know if you remember last year, but if we'd went after overpayed Guards and Center, we'd be seeing guys like Sims and Rose playing and starting. 
PS, Zeitler was never gonna comeback.

(06-23-2021, 01:48 AM)Murdock2420 Wrote: I think it was Shake who called it exactly what it is, "Kicking the can down the road." It needs to stop. 

(06-22-2021, 01:46 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: That's been my complaint about things. If they were set on Chase then I wish they'd have gone harder on the line in FA. Get Reiff for 3 years if he is the plan, and I like Spain, he is decent but why do we always except decent with the cap space still available? Could have really upgraded the line like other teams did, get Reiff, sign a proven guard that wasn't a stopgap and I like Hopkins, but there were some good centers available in FA this off-season that would have been nice to add like Linsley.

Jonah, Zeitler, Linsley, Carman, Reiff would be a nice wall up front with XSF, Hopkins backing up the inside would still like to see a little more depth on the outside.

(06-23-2021, 03:48 PM)PDub80 Wrote:  I have to think that the Bengals O line FA plans blew up in their face in regards to OLine AND WR.

(06-23-2021, 05:49 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I realize you "have to" be negative, but who were the Bengals planning on getting at WR who was better than Chase?

(06-23-2021, 05:49 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I realize you "have to" be negative, but who were the Bengals planning on getting at WR who was better than Chase?

(06-23-2021, 07:25 PM)PDub80 Wrote: Signing Golladay and they tried to trade AJ Green before last season for Deandre Hopkins.

Also, this idea that you have where I'm negative towards the Bengals is goofy AF. I have been SUPER positive towards them on a lot of things. And things where I see they are not doing well I point that out, too. And me saying that FA maybe didn't work out the way they wanted isn't me being negative towards the Bengals. It's being honest and realistic. That stuff that happened is the truth and us discussing it doesn't make anyone negative. Now, if I said they were trash or whatever because some FAs didn't jump on the Bengals bandwagon, then THAT would be negative.

I think you're just negative toward me and it's clouding your mind. I'm living rent free in that noggin of yours. Feel free to evict me at any time.

(06-23-2021, 01:34 AM)sandwedge Wrote: I fail to understand what difference it makes how long Reiff's contract is? 1 yr or 3 yrs, does it make a difference? He's here. 
They invested in alot of positions on defense, I don't know if you remember last year, but if we'd went after overpayed Guards and Center, we'd be seeing guys like Sims and Rose playing and starting. 
PS, Zeitler was never gonna comeback.

(06-23-2021, 06:04 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: They were in contact with Kenny Golladay. 

(06-23-2021, 07:25 PM)PDub80 Wrote: Signing Golladay 

(06-23-2021, 01:34 AM)sandwedge Wrote: I fail to understand what difference it makes how long Reiff's contract is? 1 yr or 3 yrs, does it make a difference? He's here. 
They invested in alot of positions on defense, I don't know if you remember last year, but if we'd went after overpayed Guards and Center, we'd be seeing guys like Sims and Rose playing and starting. 
PS, Zeitler was never gonna comeback.